Comments on: The Power of the Jump™: In Determining Whether Someone Committed Suicide, Is It Important Whether They Were Suicidal and Had Previously Tried to Commit Suicide? Then How’s About Telling Us That on the Front Page? http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/ Harangues that just make sense Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:45:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Barbara Rodriguez http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-302201 Barbara Rodriguez Thu, 22 Nov 2007 05:06:51 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-302201 I have created a My Space page where stories such as these can be posted to try and bring out into the light the horrible curruption that has taken over our jails. Search for badbunny@rock.com and look on my friends list.....her name will of course be....dep Anel Manriquez...killer girl boxer deputy I have created a My Space page where stories such as these can be posted to try and bring out into the light the horrible curruption that has taken over our jails.
Search for badbunny@rock.com and look on my friends list…..her name will of course be….dep Anel Manriquez…killer girl boxer deputy

]]> By: Barbara Rodriquez http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-296781 Barbara Rodriquez Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:45:26 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-296781 <b>I've got many friends on the department but this is one I am completly sicken and embarrassed of, I'm sure the woman who gave birth to her feel the same way. It's so sad that she knew which men to sleep with to get them to stand behind her. </b> I’ve got many friends on the department but this is one I am completly sicken and embarrassed of, I’m sure the woman who gave birth to her feel the same way. It’s so sad that she knew which men to sleep with to get them to stand behind her.

]]> By: Lou http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40482 Lou Tue, 30 May 2006 21:52:24 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40482 Am I missing something? "Gavira’s body had six broken ribs, a broken collarbone and bruises that would be hard for any man to inflict upon himself. Most curious was a snapped neck bone that medical experts say is more often seen when someone has been strangled by a pair of hands." Suicidal ideation is of course important. Six broken ribs deserve some explanation as well. We reflexively expect MSM sources to omit the significant. Let's not follow their example. A poor devil's demise deserves some accuracy on all sides. Am I missing something?

“Gavira’s body had six broken ribs, a broken collarbone and bruises that would be hard for any man to inflict upon himself. Most curious was a snapped neck bone that medical experts say is more often seen when someone has been strangled by a pair of hands.”

Suicidal ideation is of course important. Six broken ribs deserve some explanation as well.

We reflexively expect MSM sources to omit the significant. Let’s not follow their example. A poor devil’s demise deserves some accuracy on all sides.

]]> By: Patterico’s Pontifications » Weekend Roundup, Sort Of http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40458 Patterico’s Pontifications » Weekend Roundup, Sort Of Tue, 30 May 2006 14:08:16 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40458 [...] In a second “Power of the Jump”™ post, I note that the paper reports on whether a jail inmate’s death was a suicide, or the result of beatings and neglect by jail personnel. Only the back pages do we learn that the man was suicidal, and had twice previously tried to commit suicide. [...] [...] In a second “Power of the Jump”™ post, I note that the paper reports on whether a jail inmate’s death was a suicide, or the result of beatings and neglect by jail personnel. Only the back pages do we learn that the man was suicidal, and had twice previously tried to commit suicide. [...]

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40377 Patterico Mon, 29 May 2006 18:44:10 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40377 Didn't mean to snap at you. Nice to have you as a reader. Note my new post today: they did it again! That's two days in a row. Didn’t mean to snap at you. Nice to have you as a reader.

Note my new post today: they did it again! That’s two days in a row.

]]> By: Paul http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40376 Paul Mon, 29 May 2006 18:38:21 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40376 <i>It’s hard to argue that I’m “surprised” by it when I have been talking about it for years.</i> My mistake. I'm still a newcomer to your blog. It’s hard to argue that I’m “surprised” by it when I have been talking about it for years.

My mistake. I’m still a newcomer to your blog.

]]> By: steve http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40331 steve Mon, 29 May 2006 05:38:34 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40331 The female guard, Deputy Anel Manriquez, is stunning. The LAT would never back-section her photo. The female guard, Deputy Anel Manriquez, is stunning. The LAT would never back-section her photo.

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40322 Patterico Mon, 29 May 2006 03:08:12 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40322 <em>Really, Patrick, you act like you are surprised by this. This is one of the MSM’s oldest tricks.</em> It's hard to argue that I'm "surprised" by it when I have been talking about it for years. Really, Patrick, you act like you are surprised by this. This is one of the MSM’s oldest tricks.

It’s hard to argue that I’m “surprised” by it when I have been talking about it for years.

]]> By: Corky Boyd http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40321 Corky Boyd Mon, 29 May 2006 02:56:39 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40321 When in school, I had an English Lit instructor who said you should always read the last chapter first. I had thought it was to make sure you kept everything in context as you read through the story. Now I'm not so sure. He may have been a LA Times reader. When in school, I had an English Lit instructor who said you should always read the last chapter first. I had thought it was to make sure you kept everything in context as you read through the story. Now I’m not so sure.

He may have been a LA Times reader.

]]> By: Dana http://patterico.com/2006/05/28/the-power-of-the-jump%e2%84%a2-in-determining-whether-someone-committed-suicide-is-it-important-whether-they-were-suicidal-and-had-previously-tried-to-commit-suicide-then-hows-about-telling-us-that-on/#comment-40306 Dana Sun, 28 May 2006 22:17:36 +0000 http://patterico.com/?p=4617#comment-40306 It's been a long time since I was on the staff of <a href="http://www.kykernel.com/" rel="nofollow">The Kentucky Kernel</a>, the first entirely self-supporting daily university student newspaper in the country, but I can tell you what the University of Kentucky's journalism professors would have said about this: they'd have given it a D-. Now, there is a difference between writing a story and the editor's duty. The story was written with the assumption it would all be read. I might quibble with the writer's decision to place the information about past suicide attempts so late in the article, but it was the editor's decision which determined the position of the "jump." But, that was easily enough solved. Instead of <blockquote>Officials say a depressed and ailing Compton auto mechanic hanged himself shortly before his release. But the family contends he was taunted and beaten by a jailer,</blockquote> a <i>good</i> editor would have altered it to: <blockquote>Officials say a depressed and ailing Compton auto mechanic with a history of suicide attempts hanged himself shortly before his release. But the family contends he was taunted and beaten by a jailer.</blockquote> To me, the question is: was this a deliberate attempt to slant the story, or just crappy editing? It doesn't matter how you answer that question, the <i>Times</i> does not come out looking very good. It’s been a long time since I was on the staff of The Kentucky Kernel, the first entirely self-supporting daily university student newspaper in the country, but I can tell you what the University of Kentucky’s journalism professors would have said about this: they’d have given it a D-.

Now, there is a difference between writing a story and the editor’s duty. The story was written with the assumption it would all be read. I might quibble with the writer’s decision to place the information about past suicide attempts so late in the article, but it was the editor’s decision which determined the position of the “jump.”

But, that was easily enough solved. Instead of

Officials say a depressed and ailing Compton auto mechanic hanged himself shortly before his release. But the family contends he was taunted and beaten by a jailer,

a good editor would have altered it to:

Officials say a depressed and ailing Compton auto mechanic with a history of suicide attempts hanged himself shortly before his release. But the family contends he was taunted and beaten by a jailer.

To me, the question is: was this a deliberate attempt to slant the story, or just crappy editing? It doesn’t matter how you answer that question, the Times does not come out looking very good.

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