Comments on: More on Hiltzik from Comrade Patterico

By: Patterico’s Pontifications » Inmate Whose Innocence Was Touted by Chuck Philips Accuses Philips of Conspiring with Suge Knight to Threaten Him and Suborn Perjury

Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:20:47 +0000

[...] in the Wallace murder. Philips later trumpeted the witness’s recantation of that accusation without telling readers that 1) the same witness had accused Philips of receiving payments from Knight; or 2) that the [...]

By: Patterico’s Pontifications » Inmate Whose Innocence Was Touted by Chuck Philips Accuses Philips of Conspiring with Suge Knight to Threaten Him and Suborn Perjury

Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:20:46 +0000

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By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Radio Alert: Patterico To Discuss Hiltzik on “Hoist The Black Flag”

Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:41:56 +0000

[...] Patterico is a blogger based in L.A. who specializes in exposing the Times’s factual errors and leftist bias. He’s tangled with Hiltzik off and on since the Golden State blog began. Read this and this for a taste of how a Pulitzerian responds to his critics. [...]

By: Armed Liberal

Armed Liberal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:25:44 +0000

OK, how does today’s settlement by the City of LA with BIG’s family for concealing evidence play into the credibility of the various claims here?

Just asking…

A.L.

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:15:56 +0000

Davebo,

You say:

And it is curious that while you’ve quoted his slightly vitriolic insult of your readers, you didn’t quote the parts of his post pointing out your blatant misrepresentations of the Times.

Will that be buried published in your back pages somewhere?

Apparently you completely overlooked the post of mine where I responded to him in great detail. Hint: it’s here.

Davebo=another lib shot down trying to look clever with his lib friends pushing a self-evidently false assertion.

Talk about a large, slow moving target…

By: J. Peden

J. Peden — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:10:25 +0000

But, my good friend Dwilkers, you forget that the Endangered Species Act requires us to save Hiltzik! Evolution of any kind must not proceed but rather the Liberal Loon Garden of Eden be retained by our noble sacrifice to this Ideal of Sensitivity, Tolerance, and even Perfection. Only then will we be one with Gaia – yet also dead, an event which alone validifies our values, as I’m sure you well know, but have also merely forgotten?

By: Dwilkers

Dwilkers — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:32:53 +0000

On a related note, I have a theory about why people like Hiltik attack people like Patterico. I think they do it because they are leeches, they are trying to latch onto the traffic of accomplished bloggers.

I developed that theory about excitable Andy and his constant distortions and attacks on Reynolds. He’d take some random blurb Reynolds had typed and turn it into “Reynolds favors torture” or some such BS. Reynolds would respond on his post and voila! Andy’s traffic goes up by 50,000 for a few days.

I suspect the same dynamic may be going on here. As Hewitt points out, if you look at Hiltik’s blog he gets virtually no comments…except on his post attacking our host.

It might be a hard position to take, but maybe its better just to ignore screeds from desperate unread blogs like Hiltik’s, since in the end all it does is help them accomplish what appears to me to be a significant goal of their’s, IE getting attention. Let them earn their way to blog traffic. Actually it might be a really good lesson for them.

By: Jeff B.

Jeff B. — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:42:17 +0000

The phrase that most succinctly sums up Hiltzik, I first read in an article leading up to the 2004 elections. I unfortunately can’t give credit to that writer because I can’t remember who is was, it might have been Peggy Noonan. Anyway, the phrase is “myopic hauteur.” Anyone that shares the world view of Hiltzik has to have a certain arrogant disregard for new information. And that myopia reveals the fatal flaw of such a mindset.

Both Democrats and Republican information consumers are human and it’s human nature to prefer the style of Patterico where information is presented with links for the reader to verify and then form their own opinions. Contrast this with the hauteur of Hiltik and the inferior format of print, radio and TV where there is no interaction and the news and opinion is simply presented to the reader, listener or viewer in a style more suited to absorbtion than study.

Hiltik et. al. simply can’t fathom a world in which new objective information can come from any lone Joe with a computer and that might force them to change their stance. I guess in part, I can understand their frustration. Unlike other professions such as elite level sports or medicine, there is no real barrier to writing and reporting. To be sure, a degree from the Columbia School of Journalism may produce better sylistuc writing, and it may produce a Pulitzer prize, but fundamentally, what matters in any writing is the idea. Words and their creative organization are simply the vehicle for ideas and the state of the world.

Hiltik’s ideas are myopic and their presentation is haughty.

By: J. Peden

J. Peden — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:14:28 +0000

Or you become George Foreman. Foreman recalls Ali asking him at the end of round six in the fabled rope-a-dope confrontation, “Is that all you got, George?” Foreman reflects that he “knew something strange was happening in my life, because that was all I had. Knock me out now.”

Foreman then recovered after about 10 years, having endured the wilderness of knowing “I was dying” subsequent to his defeat, to emerge as the new George we all know who has confounded the experts who told him he couldn’t do what he then did at his age, and after recurrent defeats. Let’s see which path Hiltzik takes, or if he can learn/know anything.