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	<title>Comments on: Another Fair Article on Alito in the Los Angeles Times &#8212; What&#8217;s Going On???</title>
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		<title>By: TNugent</title>
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		<dc:creator>TNugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, that&#039;s just BS.  Roe, and specifically the pro-choice lobby&#039;s misrepresentation of the importance of Roe to abortion rights, is much more of a wedge/fundraising issue for the Dems than for the Republicans.  The whole point of NARAL/PFAW/DNC&#039;s disinformation campaign on every Republican judicial nomination is to raise money and get out the vote among the clueless, blinkered majority of the pro-choice movement.  On the other hand, Roe&#039;s opponents have no incentive to mislead anyone about the effect of overturning Roe -- an public correctly informed about the minimal effect this would actually have on abortion policy (probably in terms of number of abortions, but perhaps not in terms of when during pregnancy abortions could be performed) is exactly what Roe opponents want, but it&#039;s exactly what proponents of keeping Roe want to avoid.  Have you never noticed that polls which indicate a majority of Americans favor keeping Roe invariably also indicate that a similar majority favors restrictions on abortion rights that are inconsistent with Roe and the rest of the Court&#039;s abortion cases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, that&#8217;s just BS.  Roe, and specifically the pro-choice lobby&#8217;s misrepresentation of the importance of Roe to abortion rights, is much more of a wedge/fundraising issue for the Dems than for the Republicans.  The whole point of NARAL/PFAW/DNC&#8217;s disinformation campaign on every Republican judicial nomination is to raise money and get out the vote among the clueless, blinkered majority of the pro-choice movement.  On the other hand, Roe&#8217;s opponents have no incentive to mislead anyone about the effect of overturning Roe &#8212; an public correctly informed about the minimal effect this would actually have on abortion policy (probably in terms of number of abortions, but perhaps not in terms of when during pregnancy abortions could be performed) is exactly what Roe opponents want, but it&#8217;s exactly what proponents of keeping Roe want to avoid.  Have you never noticed that polls which indicate a majority of Americans favor keeping Roe invariably also indicate that a similar majority favors restrictions on abortion rights that are inconsistent with Roe and the rest of the Court&#8217;s abortion cases?</p>
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		<title>By: Black Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tillman,

No insult intended. Your comments in #3 above, about sheathing the sword, came after a paragraph where you identified both republicans and democrats in the plural, mentioned the left and the right in the aggregate, and ended with reference to &quot;...us as a liberal party.&quot;

So, you might see how I took your meaning to be general in nature. At most it&#039;s only a misunderstanding. I didn&#039;t put words in your mouth and you haven&#039;t been insulted.

But, how about my suggestion that you address the racism Dems have used to smear Justice Thomas, Secretary Rice, and Lt Governor Steel. I don&#039;t want to argue about it with you. But you brought up the KKK and republicans. That&#039;s how the issue came up. It&#039;s objectionable and I want it to stop. Racism has no place in the public political debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tillman,</p>
<p>No insult intended. Your comments in #3 above, about sheathing the sword, came after a paragraph where you identified both republicans and democrats in the plural, mentioned the left and the right in the aggregate, and ended with reference to &#8220;&#8230;us as a liberal party.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, you might see how I took your meaning to be general in nature. At most it&#8217;s only a misunderstanding. I didn&#8217;t put words in your mouth and you haven&#8217;t been insulted.</p>
<p>But, how about my suggestion that you address the racism Dems have used to smear Justice Thomas, Secretary Rice, and Lt Governor Steel. I don&#8217;t want to argue about it with you. But you brought up the KKK and republicans. That&#8217;s how the issue came up. It&#8217;s objectionable and I want it to stop. Racism has no place in the public political debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of and i forgot to mention the Defense of Marriage act..another thing you were promised but somehow these forgetful elephants forgot!!! ( actually they figured it would apply to divorce and adultery and so deep sixed it!!! Newt are you reading this? Bob Dole? Rudi? Mr Hyde? Others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of and i forgot to mention the Defense of Marriage act..another thing you were promised but somehow these forgetful elephants forgot!!! ( actually they figured it would apply to divorce and adultery and so deep sixed it!!! Newt are you reading this? Bob Dole? Rudi? Mr Hyde? Others?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get one thing straight my fellow citizens. I dont approve of abortion on demand but Rove v Wade is not going to be overturned because its a wedge issue that radicals like Bush and crew use to garner votes.  They need this kind of issue to keep the suckers coming back to vote them into power and so for that reason they will pretend to be against abortion but overturning Rove vs Wade will deprive them of the morals issue they love to bs you with.Once they get the votes they toss you aside like yesterdays newspaper.  What ever happened to the balanced budget amendment or term limits? Guarantee you ten years from now you will be asking the same question about the abortion issue...as you will still believe the end of the war in  Iraq is in sight!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get one thing straight my fellow citizens. I dont approve of abortion on demand but Rove v Wade is not going to be overturned because its a wedge issue that radicals like Bush and crew use to garner votes.  They need this kind of issue to keep the suckers coming back to vote them into power and so for that reason they will pretend to be against abortion but overturning Rove vs Wade will deprive them of the morals issue they love to bs you with.Once they get the votes they toss you aside like yesterdays newspaper.  What ever happened to the balanced budget amendment or term limits? Guarantee you ten years from now you will be asking the same question about the abortion issue&#8230;as you will still believe the end of the war in  Iraq is in sight!!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Wiener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Wiener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are right-wing religious conservatives for whom abortion is the central issue besides which everything else pales into insignificance.  Just as there are left-wing secular liberals for whom abortion is the central issue besides which everything else pales into insignificance.  Both of these groups measure Supreme Court nominees almost entirely on the basis of whether their votes will maintain or overturn Roe v Wade.

However, I think there is a larger group of Republicans/conservatives/libertarians for whom faithfulness to the original intent of the Constitution and its limits on government authority is the central issue.  This group wants a Supreme Court which will not act as an unaccountable super legislature and impose its policy preferences on the nation, but rather as a neutral arbiter of the Constitution and the law.

This latter group wants brilliant, knowledgeable, experienced Justices on the Supreme Court, regardless of any specific decisions they may make regarding abortion.  As long as the USSC follows the Constitution instead of making things up, it will get things right most of the time.  And that would represent a huge improvement over the recent history of the Supreme Court.

That&#039;s why the Harriet Meirs nomination had people threatening to jump off ledges.  The cronyism of her selection, and her inexperience and stealth judicial philosophy and questionable competence as an appointment to the highest court in the land, and the availability of so many far superior candidatees, made her a terrible choice, irrespective of her views on abortion or any other policy matter.  Coming on the heels of the excellent nomination of John Roberts, Meirs constituted a horrible disappointment and let-down.

Samuel Alito, like Roberts, has all the qualifications and qualities to be a superb Supreme Court Justice.  That&#039;s all I want, and I think that&#039;s all that most people want, exclusive of the two groups who are fixated on abortion.  And that&#039;s why the attacks on Alito aren&#039;t getting any traction.

If President Bush will stay on track and just keeping &quot;packing&quot; the Supreme Court with superior nominees like Roberts and Alito, the far-left special interest groups and the Democrats in the Senate who are closely entwined with them will continue to find themselves impotent to block confirmations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are right-wing religious conservatives for whom abortion is the central issue besides which everything else pales into insignificance.  Just as there are left-wing secular liberals for whom abortion is the central issue besides which everything else pales into insignificance.  Both of these groups measure Supreme Court nominees almost entirely on the basis of whether their votes will maintain or overturn Roe v Wade.</p>
<p>However, I think there is a larger group of Republicans/conservatives/libertarians for whom faithfulness to the original intent of the Constitution and its limits on government authority is the central issue.  This group wants a Supreme Court which will not act as an unaccountable super legislature and impose its policy preferences on the nation, but rather as a neutral arbiter of the Constitution and the law.</p>
<p>This latter group wants brilliant, knowledgeable, experienced Justices on the Supreme Court, regardless of any specific decisions they may make regarding abortion.  As long as the USSC follows the Constitution instead of making things up, it will get things right most of the time.  And that would represent a huge improvement over the recent history of the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the Harriet Meirs nomination had people threatening to jump off ledges.  The cronyism of her selection, and her inexperience and stealth judicial philosophy and questionable competence as an appointment to the highest court in the land, and the availability of so many far superior candidatees, made her a terrible choice, irrespective of her views on abortion or any other policy matter.  Coming on the heels of the excellent nomination of John Roberts, Meirs constituted a horrible disappointment and let-down.</p>
<p>Samuel Alito, like Roberts, has all the qualifications and qualities to be a superb Supreme Court Justice.  That&#8217;s all I want, and I think that&#8217;s all that most people want, exclusive of the two groups who are fixated on abortion.  And that&#8217;s why the attacks on Alito aren&#8217;t getting any traction.</p>
<p>If President Bush will stay on track and just keeping &#8220;packing&#8221; the Supreme Court with superior nominees like Roberts and Alito, the far-left special interest groups and the Democrats in the Senate who are closely entwined with them will continue to find themselves impotent to block confirmations.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s the real question:

What happens if Alito and/or Roberts vote to uphold Roe, Lawrence, et al? Will conservative activists and bloggers praise their judicial restraint and respect for precedent, or label them Souters? 


This is why there&#039;s no fight.  Because everyone knows that Roe/Grutter/Bakke/Atkins/Roper/all the other liberal precedents are safe,

Why do you think the left cares so much about stare decisis?  because they&#039;re now fighting a holding action.  the plan is to allow people like Alito and Roberts who won&#039;t mess with the status quo and then get a Dem elected president and appoint people who will further the status quo.

The right got suckered once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the real question:</p>
<p>What happens if Alito and/or Roberts vote to uphold Roe, Lawrence, et al? Will conservative activists and bloggers praise their judicial restraint and respect for precedent, or label them Souters? </p>
<p>This is why there&#8217;s no fight.  Because everyone knows that Roe/Grutter/Bakke/Atkins/Roper/all the other liberal precedents are safe,</p>
<p>Why do you think the left cares so much about stare decisis?  because they&#8217;re now fighting a holding action.  the plan is to allow people like Alito and Roberts who won&#8217;t mess with the status quo and then get a Dem elected president and appoint people who will further the status quo.</p>
<p>The right got suckered once again.</p>
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		<title>By: The Right Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Right Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Monday Night Round-Up&lt;/strong&gt;

RaiNews 24&#039;s lies about &quot;white phosphorous flares&quot; used by US Army at Fallujah were peddled to everyone (AdnKronos, AGI, Corriere della Sera, L&#039;Unità, Repubblica) and they are the opening title at Google News. But this &quot;terrible chemical weapon&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Monday Night Round-Up</strong></p>
<p>RaiNews 24&#8217;s lies about &#8220;white phosphorous flares&#8221; used by US Army at Fallujah were peddled to everyone (AdnKronos, AGI, Corriere della Sera, L&#8217;Unità, Repubblica) and they are the opening title at Google News. But this &#8220;terrible chemical weapon&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black Jack, as usual you’re being way too partisan and defensive.  

First, I was pointing out that Patterico could probably sheath his sword regarding Alito’s nomination in particular.  I made no such outlandish statement that the deep divisions between left and right are absolved, so he could let down his guard in general.  Your weak attempt to put words in my mouth is insulting.

Second, I said that the KKK statement would be unfair; but you’re going off about it anyway?  You’re just being over-the-top unreasonable.  

Third, I can’t imagine how an argument between you and me about racism would be productive.  Not all republicans are racist and not all democrats are racist – so what would be the point?  If you have to go nuclear just because I used the words “KKK” and “republicans” in the same sentence, then that’s your problem – not mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Jack, as usual you’re being way too partisan and defensive.  </p>
<p>First, I was pointing out that Patterico could probably sheath his sword regarding Alito’s nomination in particular.  I made no such outlandish statement that the deep divisions between left and right are absolved, so he could let down his guard in general.  Your weak attempt to put words in my mouth is insulting.</p>
<p>Second, I said that the KKK statement would be unfair; but you’re going off about it anyway?  You’re just being over-the-top unreasonable.  </p>
<p>Third, I can’t imagine how an argument between you and me about racism would be productive.  Not all republicans are racist and not all democrats are racist – so what would be the point?  If you have to go nuclear just because I used the words “KKK” and “republicans” in the same sentence, then that’s your problem – not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even  a paramecium can learn from repeated electric shocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even  a paramecium can learn from repeated electric shocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #3, &quot;...it appears that you can at least sheath your sword for now.&quot;

Permit me to doubt.

Tillman, you ostensibly call for a cease fire yet you use the opportunity to cast stones. In one sentence, you say republicans point out &quot;...the most extreme liberal positions&quot; and use them to beat &quot;...democrats over the head with them.&quot;  And, in the next sentence you say such efforts are &quot;...about as fair as claiming that all republicans are in the KKK ...&quot;

Well, Tillman, that&#039;s not especially persuasive. Sort of like neglecting to mention the outrageously unfair Dem tactic of calling GWB ugly names, or using racist attacks on Justice Thomas, Secretary Rice, and Lt. Governor Steel, and neglecting to mention it&#039;s Dems who are in bed with the Kluckers. Check with KKK Kreagle, Robert Byrd, Democrat Senator from West Virginia. 

If you want to call for calm, you can start with a little honesty and call for an end to Dem racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #3, &#8220;&#8230;it appears that you can at least sheath your sword for now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Permit me to doubt.</p>
<p>Tillman, you ostensibly call for a cease fire yet you use the opportunity to cast stones. In one sentence, you say republicans point out &#8220;&#8230;the most extreme liberal positions&#8221; and use them to beat &#8220;&#8230;democrats over the head with them.&#8221;  And, in the next sentence you say such efforts are &#8220;&#8230;about as fair as claiming that all republicans are in the KKK &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Tillman, that&#8217;s not especially persuasive. Sort of like neglecting to mention the outrageously unfair Dem tactic of calling GWB ugly names, or using racist attacks on Justice Thomas, Secretary Rice, and Lt. Governor Steel, and neglecting to mention it&#8217;s Dems who are in bed with the Kluckers. Check with KKK Kreagle, Robert Byrd, Democrat Senator from West Virginia. </p>
<p>If you want to call for calm, you can start with a little honesty and call for an end to Dem racism.</p>
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