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	<title>Comments on: L.A. Times Determined to Beat Into Its Readers&#8217; Heads the Idea that Hillary Is a Centrist</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: NIF</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19083</link>
		<dc:creator>NIF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;We don't yet trust you with the advanced options&lt;/strong&gt;

NIF - yet another stunning edition of everything you don't realize you need to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We don&#8217;t yet trust you with the advanced options</strong></p>
<p>NIF - yet another stunning edition of everything you don&#8217;t realize you need to know.</p>
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		<title>By: PrestoPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More pretend news from the LA Times</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19078</link>
		<dc:creator>PrestoPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More pretend news from the LA Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Patterico slams the LA Times once again for its now bi-weekly front pagers declaring &#8220;Hillary is a Centerist&#8221;. Only problem? She isn&#8217;t. Oh, and the other problem? The LA Times articles are fact free puff pieces. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Patterico slams the LA Times once again for its now bi-weekly front pagers declaring &#8220;Hillary is a Centerist&#8221;. Only problem? She isn&#8217;t. Oh, and the other problem? The LA Times articles are fact free puff pieces. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ras</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19076</link>
		<dc:creator>ras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 04:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy this one, Patterico. Come election time, talk will be discounted, and her voting record will be what they really measure her by.

In the meantime, the Dems are putting all their energy into a strategy that won't work, and a candidate that the R's can easily to define as overly liberal.

Dems will later blame her loss on a failure to articulate their message clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy this one, Patterico. Come election time, talk will be discounted, and her voting record will be what they really measure her by.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the Dems are putting all their energy into a strategy that won&#8217;t work, and a candidate that the R&#8217;s can easily to define as overly liberal.</p>
<p>Dems will later blame her loss on a failure to articulate their message clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Highly Placed Source</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19070</link>
		<dc:creator>Highly Placed Source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Senatrix Clinton is the 9th most liberal member of the Senate? Throwing out the 55 Republicans, that puts her 9th among 45, to the left, certainly, but not the furthest left.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
9th of 45?  That's the most liberal quintile.  Dana R. Pico, that means she is in the most liberal 20%.  That's the furthest left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Senatrix Clinton is the 9th most liberal member of the Senate? Throwing out the 55 Republicans, that puts her 9th among 45, to the left, certainly, but not the furthest left.</p></blockquote>
<p>9th of 45?  That&#8217;s the most liberal quintile.  Dana R. Pico, that means she is in the most liberal 20%.  That&#8217;s the furthest left.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana R. Pico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19069</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana R. Pico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senatrix Clinton is the 9th most liberal member of the Senate?  Throwing out the 55 Republicans, that puts her 9th among 45, to the left, certainly, but not the furthest left.

Even with that, I look at those voting anaylses, taking snapshots of a few votes, with more than a grain of salt.  The fact that the three left-wing groups all came up with a different score for her demonstrates that the scoring system is different, based on who is making up the scorecard.

I know that this won't please all of the readers here, and some will question whether the website I run really is conservative: &lt;a href="http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/article080605.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;What if she really isn’t a flaming liberal?&lt;/a&gt;  But I believe that to fight our political enemies, we need to know our political enemies, and it concerns me that conservatives may be making a mistake in simply assuming that she is a far-left liberal trying to deceive people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senatrix Clinton is the 9th most liberal member of the Senate?  Throwing out the 55 Republicans, that puts her 9th among 45, to the left, certainly, but not the furthest left.</p>
<p>Even with that, I look at those voting anaylses, taking snapshots of a few votes, with more than a grain of salt.  The fact that the three left-wing groups all came up with a different score for her demonstrates that the scoring system is different, based on who is making up the scorecard.</p>
<p>I know that this won&#8217;t please all of the readers here, and some will question whether the website I run really is conservative: <a href="http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/article080605.html" rel="nofollow">What if she really isn’t a flaming liberal?</a>  But I believe that to fight our political enemies, we need to know our political enemies, and it concerns me that conservatives may be making a mistake in simply assuming that she is a far-left liberal trying to deceive people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary's voting record leftist???  No, that's centrist to the Times.  &lt;a href="http://www.iww.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Leftist would be here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary&#8217;s voting record leftist???  No, that&#8217;s centrist to the Times.  <a href="http://www.iww.org/" rel="nofollow">Leftist would be here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: A Senior Administration Official</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19064</link>
		<dc:creator>A Senior Administration Official</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her actual voting record would have been a nice story element -- since she ranks as one of the most liberal senators whether conservative or liberal groups are scoring her votes. We have a summary at &lt;i&gt; Independent Sources&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="http://independentsources.com/2005/08/08/los-angeles-times-hillary-a-moderate-independent-sources-not-so-fast/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. If this had been included in the story, readers would have concluded "it's all marketing." But without the voting record, the reader has to rely on the way the reporter shapes the story, and no small number will decide "hey, she's a moderate -- I could vote for her!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her actual voting record would have been a nice story element &#8212; since she ranks as one of the most liberal senators whether conservative or liberal groups are scoring her votes. We have a summary at <i> Independent Sources</i><a href="http://independentsources.com/2005/08/08/los-angeles-times-hillary-a-moderate-independent-sources-not-so-fast/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. If this had been included in the story, readers would have concluded &#8220;it&#8217;s all marketing.&#8221; But without the voting record, the reader has to rely on the way the reporter shapes the story, and no small number will decide &#8220;hey, she&#8217;s a moderate &#8212; I could vote for her!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Sources</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/08/08/la-times-determined-to-beat-into-its-readers-heads-that-hillary-is-a-centrist/#comment-19063</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Sources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Los Angeles Times: Hillary a Moderate? Independent Sources: Not So Fast!&lt;/strong&gt;

	The Los Angeles Times has a page one story today on Hillary Clinton&#8217;s efforts to be seen as a centrist:
	In New York, where she is running for reelection in 2006, and in the Senate, where she is shaping her national persona, Clinton is moving to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Los Angeles Times: Hillary a Moderate? Independent Sources: Not So Fast!</strong></p>
<p>	The Los Angeles Times has a page one story today on Hillary Clinton&#8217;s efforts to be seen as a centrist:<br />
	In New York, where she is running for reelection in 2006, and in the Senate, where she is shaping her national persona, Clinton is moving to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they're getting their talking points from this article &lt;a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/2123636/nav/tap1/?GT1=6772" rel="nofollow"&gt; today in Slate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they&#8217;re getting their talking points from this article <a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/2123636/nav/tap1/?GT1=6772" rel="nofollow"> today in Slate.</a></p>
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