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	<title>Comments on: Apparently the L.A. Times Got It Wrong Again</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Earnhardt</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2005/06/30/apparently-the-la-times-got-it-wrong-again/#comment-17316</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Earnhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

Thank you for your support.  It's been a long week since David Sanger's story broke.  I have nothing against the way David portrayed my remarks.  I just wish everyone could have heard the rest of the phone conversation we had.  I left no doubt with David as to what happened regarding the applause.  I read your post, and I was gratified not to see my remarks heckled or belittled for once.  Thank you.

Tom Earnhardt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>Thank you for your support.  It&#8217;s been a long week since David Sanger&#8217;s story broke.  I have nothing against the way David portrayed my remarks.  I just wish everyone could have heard the rest of the phone conversation we had.  I left no doubt with David as to what happened regarding the applause.  I read your post, and I was gratified not to see my remarks heckled or belittled for once.  Thank you.</p>
<p>Tom Earnhardt</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2005/06/30/apparently-the-la-times-got-it-wrong-again/#comment-17034</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Apparently" seems to translate to "a guy in the back of the press bus told me that his cameraman heard that..."

The editors just tightened it up a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently&#8221; seems to translate to &#8220;a guy in the back of the press bus told me that his cameraman heard that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The editors just tightened it up a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dafydd</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2005/06/30/apparently-the-la-times-got-it-wrong-again/#comment-17017</link>
		<dc:creator>Dafydd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you know, Pat, I have a great professional interest in diction.  There is an interesting point to make anent the adverbs apparently and evidently.

Whenever I have questions about the actual meaning of words in literate, edited prose, I turn to my favorite reference:  the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage.  Unlike an ordinary dictionary, which simply chronicles how people tend to use a term, a dictionary of English usage actually looks at how words, and even terms, have been used throughout the history of literature by the best of writers, not the worst.

The essential difference between the two adverbs is that "evidently" means (as it suggests) that there is some actual evidence supporting the following statement; while "apparently" means the same as "seemingly," that the following statement &lt;em&gt;appears,&lt;/em&gt; on the surface, to be true, but there is no evidence for it... and in fact, if evidence exists, it tends to belie it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Apparently&lt;/em&gt; is properly used of that which seems, but may not be, real; &lt;em&gt;evidently,&lt;/em&gt; of that which both seems and is real.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(A.S. Hill 1895)

Thus, by using "apparently" instead of "evidently," the Los Angeles Times gives us a choice of two:  either it means that the applause was &lt;em&gt;seemingly&lt;/em&gt; initiated by a staffer from la Casa Blanca, but really not... or else it means that the L.A. Times is illiterate.

Dafydd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know, Pat, I have a great professional interest in diction.  There is an interesting point to make anent the adverbs apparently and evidently.</p>
<p>Whenever I have questions about the actual meaning of words in literate, edited prose, I turn to my favorite reference:  the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage.  Unlike an ordinary dictionary, which simply chronicles how people tend to use a term, a dictionary of English usage actually looks at how words, and even terms, have been used throughout the history of literature by the best of writers, not the worst.</p>
<p>The essential difference between the two adverbs is that &#8220;evidently&#8221; means (as it suggests) that there is some actual evidence supporting the following statement; while &#8220;apparently&#8221; means the same as &#8220;seemingly,&#8221; that the following statement <em>appears,</em> on the surface, to be true, but there is no evidence for it&#8230; and in fact, if evidence exists, it tends to belie it.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Apparently</em> is properly used of that which seems, but may not be, real; <em>evidently,</em> of that which both seems and is real.</p></blockquote>
<p>(A.S. Hill 1895)</p>
<p>Thus, by using &#8220;apparently&#8221; instead of &#8220;evidently,&#8221; the Los Angeles Times gives us a choice of two:  either it means that the applause was <em>seemingly</em> initiated by a staffer from la Casa Blanca, but really not&#8230; or else it means that the L.A. Times is illiterate.</p>
<p>Dafydd</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2005/06/30/apparently-the-la-times-got-it-wrong-again/#comment-16990</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My guess: if you write them, they'll tell you they never said the aide started the applause; just that the aide "apparently" did so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Either that, or that they never said the aide started anything, only that he apparently sparked it.  &lt;a href="http://xrlq.com/2004/07/19/thought-experiment/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;See, e.g., Xrlq v. Dog Trainer&lt;/i&gt; (2004)&lt;/a&gt; (federal law prohibiting interstate purchase of firearms no "bar" to interstate purchase of firearms).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My guess: if you write them, they&#8217;ll tell you they never said the aide started the applause; just that the aide &#8220;apparently&#8221; did so.</p></blockquote>
<p>Either that, or that they never said the aide started anything, only that he apparently sparked it.  <a href="http://xrlq.com/2004/07/19/thought-experiment/" rel="nofollow"><i>See, e.g., Xrlq v. Dog Trainer</i> (2004)</a> (federal law prohibiting interstate purchase of firearms no &#8220;bar&#8221; to interstate purchase of firearms).</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
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		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There was one round of applause in the middle of the speech, apparently sparked by a White House aide."

maybe he read it on a blog? I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was one round of applause in the middle of the speech, apparently sparked by a White House aide.&#8221;</p>
<p>maybe he read it on a blog? I did.</p>
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