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	<title>Comments on: Nothing to See Here, Folks . . . Again</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: John Boyle</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/06/10/nothing-to-see-here-folks-again/#comment-14170</link>
		<dc:creator>John Boyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the meaning of  this peculiar phrasing in the LA Times story of June 8th?

“The 180-page sheaf of medal commendations, officer's fitness reports and medical entries released under federal guidelines by Kerry's Senate office provided a few new nuggets of information about his 1968 to 1969 stint as a Swift boat commander during the Vietnam War.”

There are no “Federal guidelines” for releasing such records, once the subject has waived privacy rights. But, if any Federal guidelines are in effect, then they must be  rights retained by the subject under the Privacy Law; namely, rights to withhold some documents altogether, or to redact them at will.

So now the LA Times admits another layer of oversight in this release. First from the NPRC, then to Navy PersCom – then through Kerry’s office – then to the LA Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the meaning of  this peculiar phrasing in the LA Times story of June 8th?</p>
<p>“The 180-page sheaf of medal commendations, officer&#8217;s fitness reports and medical entries released under federal guidelines by Kerry&#8217;s Senate office provided a few new nuggets of information about his 1968 to 1969 stint as a Swift boat commander during the Vietnam War.”</p>
<p>There are no “Federal guidelines” for releasing such records, once the subject has waived privacy rights. But, if any Federal guidelines are in effect, then they must be  rights retained by the subject under the Privacy Law; namely, rights to withhold some documents altogether, or to redact them at will.</p>
<p>So now the LA Times admits another layer of oversight in this release. First from the NPRC, then to Navy PersCom – then through Kerry’s office – then to the LA Times.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Los Angeles Times Calls Itself Our</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/06/10/nothing-to-see-here-folks-again/#comment-14116</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Los Angeles Times Calls Itself Our</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  papers), he&#8217;s once again making it sound like the complete file has been released. (Patterico) 	While we might be tempted to write off Mr. Rutten with the word [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  papers), he&rsquo;s once again making it sound like the complete file has been released. (Patterico) 	While we might be tempted to write off Mr. Rutten with the word [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/06/10/nothing-to-see-here-folks-again/#comment-14114</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...to the LAT's (slight) credit, at least they included some strong sound bites from O'Neill. Too many articles completely shut out the other side (even in a controversy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;to the LAT&#8217;s (slight) credit, at least they included some strong sound bites from O&#8217;Neill. Too many articles completely shut out the other side (even in a controversy).</p>
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		<title>By: Corky Boyd</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/06/10/nothing-to-see-here-folks-again/#comment-14112</link>
		<dc:creator>Corky Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this round of "revelations" is there is no listing of what has now been released.  What we are told by the reporters is there "a number" of new documents but nothing essentially new.

Someone needs to do what the Washington Post did during the election and ask for all the documents from the NPRC.  At that point the NPRC will aknowledge that the form 180 has not been signed and that X number of documents remain unreleased in the file.  At least then this will put a lie to the Kranish and Braun stories that everything has been relesed.

What Kerry is hiding is his discharge status from 1972 until the 1978 Presidential board's honorable discharge.  Would also like to see his security clearance status in the 70-72 time period.  Wonder if that might be available from general archives (a listing of all officers with Secret, TS or higher) rather than from his own file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this round of &#8220;revelations&#8221; is there is no listing of what has now been released.  What we are told by the reporters is there &#8220;a number&#8221; of new documents but nothing essentially new.</p>
<p>Someone needs to do what the Washington Post did during the election and ask for all the documents from the NPRC.  At that point the NPRC will aknowledge that the form 180 has not been signed and that X number of documents remain unreleased in the file.  At least then this will put a lie to the Kranish and Braun stories that everything has been relesed.</p>
<p>What Kerry is hiding is his discharge status from 1972 until the 1978 Presidential board&#8217;s honorable discharge.  Would also like to see his security clearance status in the 70-72 time period.  Wonder if that might be available from general archives (a listing of all officers with Secret, TS or higher) rather than from his own file.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murphy</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/06/10/nothing-to-see-here-folks-again/#comment-14111</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 02:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all depends upon what the meaning of "complete" is.  

Given the phrase "The 180-page sheaf of medal commendations, officer’s fitness reports and medical entries released under federal guidelines by Kerry’s Senate office" one might conclude that "complete" in this context has to due with a federal guideline for completeness.  One wonders: what is permissible to redact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends upon what the meaning of &#8220;complete&#8221; is.  </p>
<p>Given the phrase &#8220;The 180-page sheaf of medal commendations, officer’s fitness reports and medical entries released under federal guidelines by Kerry’s Senate office&#8221; one might conclude that &#8220;complete&#8221; in this context has to due with a federal guideline for completeness.  One wonders: what is permissible to redact?</p>
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