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	<title>Comments on: L.A. Times Editors Hopelessly Naive on Prisoner Segregation</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Another &#8220;Preposterous&#8221; Prison Race Riot &#8212; In the Year 2007! L.A. Times Editors Would Be Shocked!</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-141339</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Another &#8220;Preposterous&#8221; Prison Race Riot &#8212; In the Year 2007! L.A. Times Editors Would Be Shocked!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] L.A. Times editors, February 2005: The Supreme Court made the right decision Wednesday in all but overturning California’s policy of housing new prison inmates in cells based on their race. Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on that basis in the year 2005, and it would be preposterous for state prison officials to continue arguing that there is a compelling reason to do so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] L.A. Times editors, February 2005: The Supreme Court made the right decision Wednesday in all but overturning California’s policy of housing new prison inmates in cells based on their race. Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on that basis in the year 2005, and it would be preposterous for state prison officials to continue arguing that there is a compelling reason to do so. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg D</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-31537</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on [race]&lt;/em&gt;

So, when did the Editors of the LA Times stop being fans of "Affirmative Action" and "Diversity" (which both requrie you to judge people based on the color of their skin)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on [race]</em></p>
<p>So, when did the Editors of the LA Times stop being fans of &#8220;Affirmative Action&#8221; and &#8220;Diversity&#8221; (which both requrie you to judge people based on the color of their skin)?</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Click the Links</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-31495</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Click the Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When reading last night&#8217;s post about separating races in jail and race riots, please don&#8217;t snap back at me until you click the links &#8212; especially the one for my previous post criticizing last year&#8217;s editorial. If you didn&#8217;t read that post already, please do so now. I make the case more completely there than my Treo allows me to do now. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When reading last night&#8217;s post about separating races in jail and race riots, please don&#8217;t snap back at me until you click the links &#8212; especially the one for my previous post criticizing last year&#8217;s editorial. If you didn&#8217;t read that post already, please do so now. I make the case more completely there than my Treo allows me to do now. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Los Angeles Times Editors Proven Wrong Yet Again</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-31451</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Los Angeles Times Editors Proven Wrong Yet Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last year, I mocked Los Angeles Times editors for a hopelessly naive editorial which said: The Supreme Court made the right decision Wednesday in all but overturning Californias policy of housing new prison inmates in cells based on their race. Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on that basis in the year 2005, and it would be preposterous for state prison officials to continue arguing that there is a compelling reason to do so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last year, I mocked Los Angeles Times editors for a hopelessly naive editorial which said: The Supreme Court made the right decision Wednesday in all but overturning Californias policy of housing new prison inmates in cells based on their race. Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on that basis in the year 2005, and it would be preposterous for state prison officials to continue arguing that there is a compelling reason to do so. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slippyfists</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-9293</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slippyfists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prisons are sounding more and more resort-like.  Prison is meant to be dangerous, uncomfortable, and as close to hell on Earth as you get.  That is the reason it's a deterrent of crime.  If we cater to convicts and segregate for their safety we defeat the purpose of imprisonment.  I have known people who spent time in Cook County Jail in Chicago, they said it's not that bad!  The only complaint they had was the lack of females, other than that it was cool.  There is something very wrong with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prisons are sounding more and more resort-like.  Prison is meant to be dangerous, uncomfortable, and as close to hell on Earth as you get.  That is the reason it&#8217;s a deterrent of crime.  If we cater to convicts and segregate for their safety we defeat the purpose of imprisonment.  I have known people who spent time in Cook County Jail in Chicago, they said it&#8217;s not that bad!  The only complaint they had was the lack of females, other than that it was cool.  There is something very wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladainian</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-9176</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladainian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conspicuous compassion is more important than a lower murder rate, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspicuous compassion is more important than a lower murder rate, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-9171</link>
		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cogently argued, Patterico. I suppose we ought to have aspirations for what our prisons ought to become. But prisons aren't colleges or housing projects. Our desire for how things &lt;i&gt;ought&lt;/i&gt; to be in an ideal, color-blind world cannot blind us to how things actually are in this very volatile reality in which we live. 

If there were demonstrable reasons to conclude that people whose last names start with A-M start brutal fights with people whose last names start with N-Z, I hope we wouldn't let our zeal for an alphabetically-discrimination-free society get in the way of alphabetic segregation either. We'd keep them apart not because N-Z folks are inferior or legitimately subject to discrimination, but because we want to keep them alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cogently argued, Patterico. I suppose we ought to have aspirations for what our prisons ought to become. But prisons aren&#8217;t colleges or housing projects. Our desire for how things <i>ought</i> to be in an ideal, color-blind world cannot blind us to how things actually are in this very volatile reality in which we live. </p>
<p>If there were demonstrable reasons to conclude that people whose last names start with A-M start brutal fights with people whose last names start with N-Z, I hope we wouldn&#8217;t let our zeal for an alphabetically-discrimination-free society get in the way of alphabetic segregation either. We&#8217;d keep them apart not because N-Z folks are inferior or legitimately subject to discrimination, but because we want to keep them alive.</p>
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		<title>By: kschlenker</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-9167</link>
		<dc:creator>kschlenker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to process prisioners coming out of the Ramsey Unit in Brazoria County, Texas; I made sure they got their ration of food stamps (a necessary thing, as none had money for food).  I recall sitting across from some very evil dudes of all colors.  Believe me, the racists in prison come in all colors; it just seems logical to me to segregate prisioners based on race, even temporarily.  I can imagine the blood that is going to be spilled from this one, just because some idiot thought it was a good PC idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to process prisioners coming out of the Ramsey Unit in Brazoria County, Texas; I made sure they got their ration of food stamps (a necessary thing, as none had money for food).  I recall sitting across from some very evil dudes of all colors.  Believe me, the racists in prison come in all colors; it just seems logical to me to segregate prisioners based on race, even temporarily.  I can imagine the blood that is going to be spilled from this one, just because some idiot thought it was a good PC idea.</p>
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		<title>By: BigFire</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-9160</link>
		<dc:creator>BigFire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Dog Trainer&lt;/i&gt; believe in doing things the French way:  It's more important to do thing correctly than to do the right thing.  It's more important to run a politically correctly prison with feely-touchy doctrine than to run it safely.  Nevermind that PC Prison guarantees race riots and inmate &#038; guards death.  Afterall, it's the right intention that counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Dog Trainer</i> believe in doing things the French way:  It&#8217;s more important to do thing correctly than to do the right thing.  It&#8217;s more important to run a politically correctly prison with feely-touchy doctrine than to run it safely.  Nevermind that PC Prison guarantees race riots and inmate &#038; guards death.  Afterall, it&#8217;s the right intention that counts.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico's Pontifications &#187; I Hate to Say I Told You So, But . . .</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/#comment-9188</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico's Pontifications &#187; I Hate to Say I Told You So, But . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] atterico          @         6:29 pm                                    	Yesterday, I &lt;a href="http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/2701/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/"&gt;took the editors of the L.A. Times to task&lt;/a&gt; for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] atterico<br />
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         6:29 pm </p>
<p>         	Yesterday, I <a href="http://patterico.com/2005/02/26/2701/ila-timesi-editors-hopelessly-naive-on-prisoner-segregation/">took the editors of the L.A. Times to task</a> for [...]</p>
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