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	<title>Comments on: Interesting Letter Regarding the L.A. Times</title>
	<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/</link>
	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8220</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8220</guid>
		<description>A very interesting take on LAT bias, but of course not unexpected by regular readers of your site.

However, I would point out that there is much compelling work in the field of study on cops who have repeated citizen complaints about abusive treatment by cops.  When approached from the perspective of why twenty or thirty percent of the officers seem to have no or limited people interaction problems one gets to try and spread identifiable "best practices" 

I enounterd a series of papers on "best practices"  in connection with my responsibilities for a large  school district with "Campus Assistants"  

Regretably, I don't remember the titles of any of the papers, but I just did a google search that returned several good possilties. (cops, trouble, best practices) 

Clearly not directly relatable to shooting incidents, but in the Risk Managment business, we learn that when you reduce the frequency of underlying precursor incidents, you get less of those events that result from an escalation of those incidents. 

A little bit like the "community policing" effort of stopping little crimes to reduce bigger ones. From my experience, it works.

Brian Frohmuth
Visalia, Ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting take on LAT bias, but of course not unexpected by regular readers of your site.</p>
<p>However, I would point out that there is much compelling work in the field of study on cops who have repeated citizen complaints about abusive treatment by cops.  When approached from the perspective of why twenty or thirty percent of the officers seem to have no or limited people interaction problems one gets to try and spread identifiable &#8220;best practices&#8221; </p>
<p>I enounterd a series of papers on &#8220;best practices&#8221;  in connection with my responsibilities for a large  school district with &#8220;Campus Assistants&#8221;  </p>
<p>Regretably, I don&#8217;t remember the titles of any of the papers, but I just did a google search that returned several good possilties. (cops, trouble, best practices) </p>
<p>Clearly not directly relatable to shooting incidents, but in the Risk Managment business, we learn that when you reduce the frequency of underlying precursor incidents, you get less of those events that result from an escalation of those incidents. </p>
<p>A little bit like the &#8220;community policing&#8221; effort of stopping little crimes to reduce bigger ones. From my experience, it works.</p>
<p>Brian Frohmuth<br />
Visalia, Ca</p>
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		<title>By: MaxedOutMama</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8221</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxedOutMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8221</guid>
		<description>With regard to relying purely on statistics, have you noticed what has happened in the UK regarding crib deaths (aka SIDS)? A judge recently ordered the release of about 250 women from jail, because a few "experts" had developed a theory, based largely on statistical probabilities, that said women who had two or more children die of SIDS had probably killed them.

Of course this is not necessarily so, but it seems that as the result of this "expert" theory not only did more than a hundred women suffer the unexplained deaths of their children, but were then wrongfully convicted of murdering them. In fact, there is a strong genetic link to some cases of SIDS deaths, there are possible infections which contribute, and factors such as low birth weight also show a strong correlation. If one twin dies of SIDS, for example, studies have shown that the other twin is six to twelve times more likely than the average infant to also die of SIDS - and these are in cases where abuse has probably been ruled out.

Police officers don't all work in the same circumstances or the same neighborhoods. There are some who will be exposed to far more violence and danger than others. One should be very wary of assuming that cluster events automatically are caused by the person designated as the center of the cluster. It leads to great injustice.

There are bad cops, but there are ways to deal with them that are far more efficient and productive than simply labeling as bad all cops who are working in areas or in climates that are controversial. Not only is this unjust, but it will inevitably lead to police officers avoiding danger and scenes of conflict, instead of doing their jobs by intervening. 

Btw, I am no defender of bad cops. In two places where I have lived there have been cases of extreme abuse of power involving the police force. But no one should be condemned purely on the basis of statistics. No one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to relying purely on statistics, have you noticed what has happened in the UK regarding crib deaths (aka SIDS)? A judge recently ordered the release of about 250 women from jail, because a few &#8220;experts&#8221; had developed a theory, based largely on statistical probabilities, that said women who had two or more children die of SIDS had probably killed them.</p>
<p>Of course this is not necessarily so, but it seems that as the result of this &#8220;expert&#8221; theory not only did more than a hundred women suffer the unexplained deaths of their children, but were then wrongfully convicted of murdering them. In fact, there is a strong genetic link to some cases of SIDS deaths, there are possible infections which contribute, and factors such as low birth weight also show a strong correlation. If one twin dies of SIDS, for example, studies have shown that the other twin is six to twelve times more likely than the average infant to also die of SIDS - and these are in cases where abuse has probably been ruled out.</p>
<p>Police officers don&#8217;t all work in the same circumstances or the same neighborhoods. There are some who will be exposed to far more violence and danger than others. One should be very wary of assuming that cluster events automatically are caused by the person designated as the center of the cluster. It leads to great injustice.</p>
<p>There are bad cops, but there are ways to deal with them that are far more efficient and productive than simply labeling as bad all cops who are working in areas or in climates that are controversial. Not only is this unjust, but it will inevitably lead to police officers avoiding danger and scenes of conflict, instead of doing their jobs by intervening. </p>
<p>Btw, I am no defender of bad cops. In two places where I have lived there have been cases of extreme abuse of power involving the police force. But no one should be condemned purely on the basis of statistics. No one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Stanton</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8222</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8222</guid>
		<description>The LAT works like Viacom did on the Rathergate incident. They paid three document experts for advice who told them the docs were fake (all 3 were women living in Southern and Westrn states, interviewed on Larry Elder's show in late Sept). In the Rathergate report they acted like the only experts they talked to was the guy who they said suported their smear. BTW even he is now saying that Viacom misrepresented what he said.

Once again the MSM burys facts that they have but that do not support their spiel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LAT works like Viacom did on the Rathergate incident. They paid three document experts for advice who told them the docs were fake (all 3 were women living in Southern and Westrn states, interviewed on Larry Elder&#8217;s show in late Sept). In the Rathergate report they acted like the only experts they talked to was the guy who they said suported their smear. BTW even he is now saying that Viacom misrepresented what he said.</p>
<p>Once again the MSM burys facts that they have but that do not support their spiel.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Stanton</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8223</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8223</guid>
		<description>Make that expert  singular</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that expert  singular</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Young</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8224</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8224</guid>
		<description>Professor Klinger's point on the Poisson distribution helped me to understand why during my year as a medic in the army and 6 to 9 months as an ambulance driver I very seldom was on duty when something really disasterous would happen. On my shifts I would get the fallen drunks. Others would get the explosions and once a train wreck. This was fortunate for those involved because I was terrible in the first aid business. I could recount here some more of the incidents but instead will just say I believe the professor over the LAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Klinger&#8217;s point on the Poisson distribution helped me to understand why during my year as a medic in the army and 6 to 9 months as an ambulance driver I very seldom was on duty when something really disasterous would happen. On my shifts I would get the fallen drunks. Others would get the explosions and once a train wreck. This was fortunate for those involved because I was terrible in the first aid business. I could recount here some more of the incidents but instead will just say I believe the professor over the LAT.</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8225</link>
		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8225</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Catching my eye:  morning A through Z (UPDATED)&lt;/strong&gt;
Here's what's caught my eye so far this morning: When the Geneva Food Crimes Tribunal meets, Beautiful Atrocities's No-Bake Meatloaf is certain to be indicted. A dialogue with Socrates (although not precisely a Socratic dialogue) about Bush's inaugurat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Catching my eye:  morning A through Z (UPDATED)</strong><br />
Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s caught my eye so far this morning: When the Geneva Food Crimes Tribunal meets, Beautiful Atrocities&#8217;s No-Bake Meatloaf is certain to be indicted. A dialogue with Socrates (although not precisely a Socratic dialogue) about Bush&#8217;s inaugurat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PRESTOPUNDIT -- "An intense brain-buzz, guaranteed" (2blowhards)</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8226</link>
		<dc:creator>PRESTOPUNDIT -- "An intense brain-buzz, guaranteed" (2blowhards)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-8226</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SOUTHERN CALIFORNIANS should know how journalism is done&lt;/strong&gt;
at the LA Times -- nothing in that regard could be more revealing than L.A. Times" href="http://patterico.com/archives/003259.php"&gt;this letter from a former LA cop to Patterico. Damning stuff....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SOUTHERN CALIFORNIANS should know how journalism is done</strong><br />
at the LA Times &#8212; nothing in that regard could be more revealing than L.A. Times&#8221; href=&#8221;http://patterico.com/archives/003259.php&#8221;>this letter from a former LA cop to Patterico. Damning stuff&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico's Pontifications &#187; NPR Story on Police Shootings</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-9095</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico's Pontifications &#187; NPR Story on Police Shootings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/#comment-9095</guid>
		<description>[...] Many of you will remember Prof. David Klinger, who &lt;a href="http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/2606/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/"&gt;wrote me earlier this year&lt;/a&gt; about an encounter he had with Matt [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Many of you will remember Prof. David Klinger, who <a href="http://patterico.com/2005/01/27/2606/interesting-letter-regarding-the-ila-timesi/">wrote me earlier this year</a> about an encounter he had with Matt [&#8230;]</p>
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