1/4/2005

8 Comments

1. Well, if it disagrees with him — or supports the hated W in any way — it must be “right-wing propaganda.” People like this are immune to argument short of an oak mallet.

   Comment by Kevin Murphy (9982dd) — 1/4/2005 @ 1:10 pm

2. He gets his “news” from KPCC. They are a little to the left of the LAT. They got taken over a few years back by MPR. The home of the far left Garrison Kellor of Woe Be Gone fame. What do you expect? BTW the M stands for a state, its not a typo although I make many.

   Comment by Rod Stanton (7edfd7) — 1/4/2005 @ 2:48 pm

3. It’s amazing how much action is taken on such junk science stories.

   As you probably know, California has passed legislation that creates a huge bureaucracy to draft and enforce new rules that will limit carbon dioxide emissions from cars. Our state is the first government in the world to do so.

   This is going to cost us billions of dollars.

   The goal is to limit CO2 because it is a greenhouse gas. The idea is to slow down global warming by marginally reducing the projected increase in CO2 emissions by cars in California.

   The thing is, global warming is a worldwide phenomenon. The problem is caused by the sum total of all CO2 produced everywhere on earth, not just California.

   So why are we focusing on ourselves? Why not focus on the out-of-control Northern China coal mine fire, which destroys 200 million tons of coal every year and emits as much CO2 as all the cars in the entire United States?

   California could spend the money helping China to put out their stupid fire. Then it would be as if we reduced the total CO2 output of every car in the United States (not just California) to zero. Talk about results!

   Instead, we will blow the money making life hard on Californians without actually improving the environment, just so the maniacs who come up with this crap can feel good about themselves.

   More info on the fire:

   “A very large underground fire burns through large coal beds in Northern China. The fires consume up to 200 million tons of coal each year. This fire is quite a bit larger then the largest Pennsylvania fire (Centralia), releasing almost “as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as do all the cars in the United States” (Kittl, 1999). The Chinese haven’t really paid much attention to the fire until recently. Now they monitor the fire with heat sensitive satellite photographs. Areas of subsidence have caused very large cracks in the surface and there are areas where one can observe the burning beds above them on the side of a cliff. The Chinese are now taking measures such as burying the coal with dirt and pouring a water-clay mix into surface cracks to cool the fire. They feel the only way to deal with these fires is to try to isolate them and let them burn out (Kittl, 1999).”

   http://www.offroaders.com/album/centralia/study/ESL201Paper.htm

   Comment by Ladainian (91b3b2) — 1/4/2005 @ 2:54 pm

4. “and to keep an open mind — casually dismisses Armed Liberal’s information because he assumes (incorrectly) that it’s all right-wing propaganda.”

   And just because the source calls its critics ‘leftists.’

   Comment by actus (b9c382) — 1/4/2005 @ 2:54 pm

5. Assuming that’s sarcasm, Actus (and I do assume that based on your past comments), define “the source.” The guy who collected the various links, or the links themselves?

   Sounds like you’re falling into the same trap as the NPR guy: any source cited by a guy on the right must be wrong. (That’s probably how the L.A. Times will justify discounting my huge collection of screw-ups and distortions of theirs: “well, the guy’s an admitted right-winger, isn’t he?”)

   Comment by Patterico (756436) — 1/4/2005 @ 4:58 pm

6. NPR Guy: “Given the overwhelming known evidence of the effects of depleted uranium on US troops who fought during the first Gulf War, and given the Fox News-like tendency in the literature cited by your husband to condemn as “leftist” anyone who is concerned about this problem, perhaps we should just lay aside this dialogue while we’re ahead.”

   Am I following this correctly? The NPR Guy is himself condemning all the data and references supplied by Armed Liberal as Fox Newsish/Rightist? If so, Fox has lifted itself to new heights, in my estimation, while NPR Guy has done exactly what he claims Rightists are doing. That’s real progressive.

   Then he seems to argue that since the info on Gulf War I Veterans is true, and thus “we” have gained headway, we should not gain any more headway because the truth of the claim will be treated by those of Fox News-like tendencies to condemn “as Leftist anyone who is concerned with this problem”? Is one of those “anyones” the NPR Guy himself, who fears for his journalistic headway were he to be called a “Leftist” due, of course, to his manifest superiority of “concern”, and also fears the ascendency of Fox News itself, making headway by its given evil nature? If so, his fears are well founded, and he is abetting their cause. I will just have to resign myself to being evil.

   Ah well, as Goebbles said, “The right thing is the right thing,” except when I have to prove what the right thing is apart from my ability to gain control of everyone and their mother.

   [If Depleted Uranium radioactivity is the closest thing to nothing that can be achieved, then it is equivalent to the basic elemental Uranium found everywhere, according to Bill Wattenberg.]

   Comment by J. Peden (ffccb8) — 1/4/2005 @ 5:21 pm

7. ‘The guy who collected the various links, or the links themselves?’

   I tihnk its pretty clear that its the armed liberal guy that calls its critics ‘antiwar leftists’.

   Comment by actus (b9c382) — 1/4/2005 @ 7:24 pm

8. Hey, actus -

   Please find me a cite in the exchange or linked articles where I call anyone a ‘leftist’… it isn’t there.

   The linked blog post (which had a compendium of articles on DU) is by someone who is right-wing. Sadly, I find that the right and left can be equally good at using library research techniques, and the cites they pull – once confirmed – are just as valid.

   The conservative guy has a pile of peer-reviewed science on his side. I’m still waiting for the pile from the other side…

   A.L.

   Comment by Armed Liberal (8943f0) — 1/7/2005 @ 6:33 am

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