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		<title>By: Roberta</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4958</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush missed a lot of opportunities. When Kerry hammered him on Bush Sr's choice not to go to Baghdad, Bush Jr missed a great opportunity to point out Kerry voted against going to war in the original gulf war when Hussein was in Kuwait.  This is an example of either Kerry's bad judgment or opportunistic playing with politics.  He also could have merely pointed out the vote against the 87 billion without the lame explanation offered by Kerry which has been raised extensively in ads.  There were others but no major gaffes.  Bush will survive this debate (in polls) but the others might be problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush missed a lot of opportunities. When Kerry hammered him on Bush Sr&#8217;s choice not to go to Baghdad, Bush Jr missed a great opportunity to point out Kerry voted against going to war in the original gulf war when Hussein was in Kuwait.  This is an example of either Kerry&#8217;s bad judgment or opportunistic playing with politics.  He also could have merely pointed out the vote against the 87 billion without the lame explanation offered by Kerry which has been raised extensively in ads.  There were others but no major gaffes.  Bush will survive this debate (in polls) but the others might be problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4959</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally agree with your take. Kerry wins on style and "debate" tactics, Bush wins on the argument, but that's because I agree with him. The debate was effective in drawing out the differences between the candidates, and will aid the country in making its decision.

If you think Bush's vision of a broader war, employing a more vigorous offensive, with a particularly American vision is the right way to go, you'll support Bush. If you think that the war should be more narrowly focused on Al Qaeda, that we should rely more on defensive measures than offensive ones, and that we should act within a global consensus, you'll support Kerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally agree with your take. Kerry wins on style and &#8220;debate&#8221; tactics, Bush wins on the argument, but that&#8217;s because I agree with him. The debate was effective in drawing out the differences between the candidates, and will aid the country in making its decision.</p>
<p>If you think Bush&#8217;s vision of a broader war, employing a more vigorous offensive, with a particularly American vision is the right way to go, you&#8217;ll support Bush. If you think that the war should be more narrowly focused on Al Qaeda, that we should rely more on defensive measures than offensive ones, and that we should act within a global consensus, you&#8217;ll support Kerry</p>
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		<title>By: Stu707</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4960</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu707</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a disappointed Bush supporter. I agree with Roberta. Bush missed several opportunities to effectively counter Kerry. The only concrete steps Kerry advocates in Iraq are ones that Bush has already undertaken. Bush made the point but obliquely. I have to say it was a win for Kerry since many who haven't closely followed the campaign won't know how many times tonight Kerry contradicted previous statements on Iraq and the WOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a disappointed Bush supporter. I agree with Roberta. Bush missed several opportunities to effectively counter Kerry. The only concrete steps Kerry advocates in Iraq are ones that Bush has already undertaken. Bush made the point but obliquely. I have to say it was a win for Kerry since many who haven&#8217;t closely followed the campaign won&#8217;t know how many times tonight Kerry contradicted previous statements on Iraq and the WOT.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4961</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear from you, Madsen-basher Brian O'Connell!</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hazlewood</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4962</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hazlewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't feel well. I support Bush and, having watched the debate I am disappointed. 

 Yes, Bush hit his points on things I already understood about him. Yet, every opening Kerry gave went unexploited. 

 Bush caught the 'Global test' comment and mentioned it. But, to win a debate, you have to HAMMER your opponents gaffes. One mention and that was it.

 Bush noted that Kerry has spurned our allies in Iraq. WHY was that an important point? Bush had to say that, on day one of a Kerry presidency, America would, essentially, stand alone. Every ally who stands with us would be looking for the way out because KERRY is looking for the way out, not for a victory and a free Iraq. The first 3 dozen phone calls of a Kerry presidency would be to former allies he had grossly miscast as negligible, coerced, bought, etc.

And it was painful for me to watch Bush speak. He was more comfortable talking to Oreilly. Tonite he seemed to run out of things to say, often. And his long hesitations were particularly awkward.

He didn't answer Kerry's stab on missing Osama in Afghanistan well. Frankly, I don't think he can. At that time, I, too, felt a great letdown when Osama got away.

He let Kerry get away with calling for multilateralism in Iraq and unilateralism in N. Korea. He had a great chance to show Kerry's opportunistic hypocrisy and muffed it. Where's the killer instinct? 

Finally, Bush convinced me on one thing. At the very end, as he summed up, he called upon God's blessing for the country. For some reason it struck me that I hadn't heard Kerry mention God. So, I checked the transcripts and saw that Kerry HAD said God Bless America. My interpretation? George really meant it and that came through. Kerry was marking the final box on his debate checklist. And that seemed pretty profound to me because, you see, while I respect folks in the religious mold, I'm not one of them. Just another case of George meaning what he says, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel well. I support Bush and, having watched the debate I am disappointed. </p>
<p> Yes, Bush hit his points on things I already understood about him. Yet, every opening Kerry gave went unexploited. </p>
<p> Bush caught the &#8216;Global test&#8217; comment and mentioned it. But, to win a debate, you have to HAMMER your opponents gaffes. One mention and that was it.</p>
<p> Bush noted that Kerry has spurned our allies in Iraq. WHY was that an important point? Bush had to say that, on day one of a Kerry presidency, America would, essentially, stand alone. Every ally who stands with us would be looking for the way out because KERRY is looking for the way out, not for a victory and a free Iraq. The first 3 dozen phone calls of a Kerry presidency would be to former allies he had grossly miscast as negligible, coerced, bought, etc.</p>
<p>And it was painful for me to watch Bush speak. He was more comfortable talking to Oreilly. Tonite he seemed to run out of things to say, often. And his long hesitations were particularly awkward.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t answer Kerry&#8217;s stab on missing Osama in Afghanistan well. Frankly, I don&#8217;t think he can. At that time, I, too, felt a great letdown when Osama got away.</p>
<p>He let Kerry get away with calling for multilateralism in Iraq and unilateralism in N. Korea. He had a great chance to show Kerry&#8217;s opportunistic hypocrisy and muffed it. Where&#8217;s the killer instinct? </p>
<p>Finally, Bush convinced me on one thing. At the very end, as he summed up, he called upon God&#8217;s blessing for the country. For some reason it struck me that I hadn&#8217;t heard Kerry mention God. So, I checked the transcripts and saw that Kerry HAD said God Bless America. My interpretation? George really meant it and that came through. Kerry was marking the final box on his debate checklist. And that seemed pretty profound to me because, you see, while I respect folks in the religious mold, I&#8217;m not one of them. Just another case of George meaning what he says, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4963</link>
		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It'll all depend on whether the Great Undecided want sizzle, or steak. 

I know that we all wish Bush were the kind of speaker that Reagan was, but that's not going to happen; he's certainly gotten better over time.

There's a part of me that almost suspects him of turning in a "C+" or "B-" performance on purpose, because of his history of getting people to underestimate him. After all, if Kerry gets cocky, he'll make a lot of mistakes. (As it is, he gave Karl Rove plenty of fodder. Dismantle a weapons program? At a time like this? Are you crazy, Senator?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll all depend on whether the Great Undecided want sizzle, or steak. </p>
<p>I know that we all wish Bush were the kind of speaker that Reagan was, but that&#8217;s not going to happen; he&#8217;s certainly gotten better over time.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a part of me that almost suspects him of turning in a &#8220;C+&#8221; or &#8220;B-&#8221; performance on purpose, because of his history of getting people to underestimate him. After all, if Kerry gets cocky, he&#8217;ll make a lot of mistakes. (As it is, he gave Karl Rove plenty of fodder. Dismantle a weapons program? At a time like this? Are you crazy, Senator?)</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4964</link>
		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that the debates will affect my vote anyway...

But why cant politicans just shut up.  Both ruined good points/counterpoints by filling up the remaining alloted time with inane babble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that the debates will affect my vote anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>But why cant politicans just shut up.  Both ruined good points/counterpoints by filling up the remaining alloted time with inane babble.</p>
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		<title>By: IXLNXS</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4965</link>
		<dc:creator>IXLNXS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry did much better than Bush in the debates. He looked like he knew more about the issues at hand and what to do about them. Bush faltered several times and repeated himself more than a few.

But average Americans don't vote from watching the debates. They vote from the gut and what reaction thirty second sound bites gives them.

Expect a Kerry bounce so the election isn't boring, followed by Bush soundbites clinching the deal outside of the October suprise scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry did much better than Bush in the debates. He looked like he knew more about the issues at hand and what to do about them. Bush faltered several times and repeated himself more than a few.</p>
<p>But average Americans don&#8217;t vote from watching the debates. They vote from the gut and what reaction thirty second sound bites gives them.</p>
<p>Expect a Kerry bounce so the election isn&#8217;t boring, followed by Bush soundbites clinching the deal outside of the October suprise scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharpshooter</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4966</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharpshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Kerry did much better than Bush in the debates. He looked like he knew more about the issues at hand and what to do about them."

Well, he had something to say about each issue - whether his solution made any sense outside of a fairy tale or Hollyweird movie is definitely not supported by any known history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kerry did much better than Bush in the debates. He looked like he knew more about the issues at hand and what to do about them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, he had something to say about each issue - whether his solution made any sense outside of a fairy tale or Hollyweird movie is definitely not supported by any known history.</p>
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		<title>By: bill j</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/09/30/open-thread-debate-reaction/#comment-4967</link>
		<dc:creator>bill j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple---Do you want a frappe' of a shot &#038; a beer?</description>
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