Comments on: “Web of Connections” Apparently in the Eye of the Beholder http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/ Harangues that just make sense Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:51:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Xrlq http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3701 Xrlq Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3701 No. I made that exact point in an email to my moonbat Aunt earlier this morning. No. I made that exact point in an email to my moonbat Aunt earlier this morning.

]]> By: salty sailor http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3702 salty sailor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3702 I've never posted on your site but i do visit and am loving watching you burn the butts of these papers, keep up the good work. I’ve never posted on your site but i do visit and am loving watching you burn the butts of these papers, keep up the good work.

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3703 Patterico Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3703 I appreciate the comment. Feel free to leave more, and keep reading! I have more butt-burning on the way . . . I appreciate the comment. Feel free to leave more, and keep reading! I have more butt-burning on the way . . .

]]> By: SCfan http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3704 SCfan Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3704 Want to burn this article too? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed Oh that liberal media Want to burn this article too?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Oh that liberal media

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3705 Patterico Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3705 Whatever. This guy is avoiding all interviews, so he doesn't get the scrutiny that the Vets are getting. Who has he voted for? Who has he contributed to? Who does he have a "web of connections" with? His account is at least as uncorroborated as any of the Vets'. Yet, as to the single incident he's talking about, he may well be right. My point has never been that I know the Vets are right. I just think that their claims deserve scrutiny. Of course, their claims are getting virtually none, while they are <b>personally</b> getting quite a bit. Much of it unfair and distorted. Meanwhile, don't hold your breath waiting for this newspaper guy to face the same kind of scrutiny -- or constant reminders in the press that he <b>won't</b> subject himself to that scrutiny. Whatever. This guy is avoiding all interviews, so he doesn’t get the scrutiny that the Vets are getting. Who has he voted for? Who has he contributed to? Who does he have a “web of connections” with? His account is at least as uncorroborated as any of the Vets’.

Yet, as to the single incident he’s talking about, he may well be right.

My point has never been that I know the Vets are right. I just think that their claims deserve scrutiny. Of course, their claims are getting virtually none, while they are personally getting quite a bit. Much of it unfair and distorted.

Meanwhile, don’t hold your breath waiting for this newspaper guy to face the same kind of scrutiny — or constant reminders in the press that he won’t subject himself to that scrutiny.

]]> By: salty sailor http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3706 salty sailor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3706 Check this story out, it is Bellodeau's account of the Rood incident. I remembered reading it weeks ago. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/21/215620.shtml Check this story out, it is Bellodeau’s account of the Rood incident. I remembered reading it weeks ago.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/21/215620.shtml

]]> By: AMac http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3707 AMac Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3707 I read Rood's account and the accompanying article in today's Baltimore Sun (a paper owned by Tribune Pubishing, the LAT's publisher). Three comments: 1. This quote from Jones' article: "The [SBVFT] allegations have fueled a nearly two-week-long TV ad campaing against the Democratic nominee. Talk radio and cable news channels have feasted on the story." Feasted. No, this was page 10A, national news, not the Opinion section. 2. To me, Rood's account of his recollections of the events of 2/28/69 (for which Kerry was awarded his Silver Star) is gripping, credible, and believable. That he doesn't mention Bellodeau (salty sailer, immediately preceding) doesn't diminish the account--it's Rood's personal recollection. SBVFT may have fallen into a trap of their own making. Clearly, many are embittered by Kerry's "Winter Soldier" years and view it as a betrayal; O'Neill has said as much. All have reason to distrust Kerry, some have first-hand knowledge that makes them feel this way. But there are two possible presentations. One is "Kerry's 1968/69 and '70s actions in aggregate lead us to distrust him, here are our accounts of a series of Viet Nam incidents." The second is "Kerry is a fraud, and every instance of bravery or wounding for which he received a commendation is fraudulent." To disprove the latter case, all Kerry has to do is choose one of SBVFT's incidents, and show that the weight of the evidence is on his side. Rood may have done that here, for this incident. 3. Rood mentions other crew members of his with firsthand knowledge of the 2/28/69 firefight. Perhaps we will find out what Larry Lee, Denneth Martin, Benjamin Cueva, Wayne Langhoffer, or Jerry Leeds recollects. Presumably they support Rood's version, as presumably they gave him permission to list their names in his account. I read Rood’s account and the accompanying article in today’s Baltimore Sun (a paper owned by Tribune Pubishing, the LAT’s publisher). Three comments:

1. This quote from Jones’ article: “The [SBVFT] allegations have fueled a nearly two-week-long TV ad campaing against the Democratic nominee. Talk radio and cable news channels have feasted on the story.”

Feasted. No, this was page 10A, national news, not the Opinion section.

2. To me, Rood’s account of his recollections of the events of 2/28/69 (for which Kerry was awarded his Silver Star) is gripping, credible, and believable. That he doesn’t mention Bellodeau (salty sailer, immediately preceding) doesn’t diminish the account–it’s Rood’s personal recollection.

SBVFT may have fallen into a trap of their own making. Clearly, many are embittered by Kerry’s “Winter Soldier” years and view it as a betrayal; O’Neill has said as much. All have reason to distrust Kerry, some have first-hand knowledge that makes them feel this way. But there are two possible presentations. One is “Kerry’s 1968/69 and ’70s actions in aggregate lead us to distrust him, here are our accounts of a series of Viet Nam incidents.” The second is “Kerry is a fraud, and every instance of bravery or wounding for which he received a commendation is fraudulent.” To disprove the latter case, all Kerry has to do is choose one of SBVFT’s incidents, and show that the weight of the evidence is on his side. Rood may have done that here, for this incident.

3. Rood mentions other crew members of his with firsthand knowledge of the 2/28/69 firefight. Perhaps we will find out what Larry Lee, Denneth Martin, Benjamin Cueva, Wayne Langhoffer, or Jerry Leeds recollects. Presumably they support Rood’s version, as presumably they gave him permission to list their names in his account.

]]> By: Les Jones http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3708 Les Jones Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3708 Blogs for Bush put together a "<a href="http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001759.html#001759" rel="nofollow">web of connections</a>" chart tracing connections between MoveOn and the Kerry campaign. Blogs for Bush put together a “web of connections” chart tracing connections between MoveOn and the Kerry campaign.

]]> By: damnum absque injuria http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3709 damnum absque injuria Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3709 <strong>9-10 Commission Finds "No Operational Link" Between G.O.P. and SwiftVets</strong> But the New York Times, a wholly owned subsidary of the Democratic National Committee, does. Patterico has the scoop. 9-10 Commission Finds “No Operational Link” Between G.O.P. and SwiftVets
But the New York Times, a wholly owned subsidary of the Democratic National Committee, does. Patterico has the scoop.

]]> By: Kalblog http://patterico.com/2004/08/21/web-of-connections-apparently-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/#comment-3710 Kalblog Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=1863#comment-3710 <strong>Hedging</strong> Kevin Drum's joined the bandwagon of calling the SwiftVets liars. He's a lot more reasonable than most other left-of-center blogs I read, as usual, but I think he's taking sides in a he said, she said. The fact is, 35... Hedging
Kevin Drum’s joined the bandwagon of calling the SwiftVets liars. He’s a lot more reasonable than most other left-of-center blogs I read, as usual, but I think he’s taking sides in a he said, she said. The fact is, 35…

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