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	<title>Comments on: Anonymous Air Marshals and Flight Crew Members Continue to Contradict Annie Jacobsen</title>
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		<title>By: AMac</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3245</link>
		<dc:creator>AMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patteico, 

Since when, exactly, are you not omniscient, or at least omin-leierovoyant, or whatever all-reading would transpose to.  It's unacceptable that us readers should have to browse around, &lt;i&gt;and sometimes have to buy newspapers ourselves!&lt;/i&gt;

We demand our money back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patteico, </p>
<p>Since when, exactly, are you not omniscient, or at least omin-leierovoyant, or whatever all-reading would transpose to.  It&#8217;s unacceptable that us readers should have to browse around, <i>and sometimes have to buy newspapers ourselves!</i></p>
<p>We demand our money back!</p>
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		<title>By: The Commissar</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>The Commissar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I screwed that up. Sorry

It would have been more accurate for me to bemoan the  general lack of coverage of Sharkey's article throughout the Conservative blogosphere.  Not by conspiracy, nor malignant design, but rather a sense that we (including me) may be in bit of an echo chamber.

Picking on three individuals was not the way to  make the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I screwed that up. Sorry</p>
<p>It would have been more accurate for me to bemoan the  general lack of coverage of Sharkey&#8217;s article throughout the Conservative blogosphere.  Not by conspiracy, nor malignant design, but rather a sense that we (including me) may be in bit of an echo chamber.</p>
<p>Picking on three individuals was not the way to  make the point.</p>
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		<title>By: The Commissar</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3247</link>
		<dc:creator>The Commissar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the marshals' anonymity. The articles explain why.

You're not trying to hide that, are you? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the marshals&#8217; anonymity. The articles explain why.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not trying to hide that, are you? <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3248</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that you are kidding me to some unknown extent.  Still: I could hardly be trying to "hide" anything that readers can reach if they follow the links.

In addition to the rules the marshals have to follow, it is also intuitively obvious that the marshals need to remain anonymous -- that's why I said in the post:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And that includes the flight attendants, who (perhaps unlike the air marshals) have no pressing need to keep their identities secret.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am not very mollified by your comments, because of your reference to an "echo chamber."  My friend, &lt;b&gt;I am not part of any "echo chamber."&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I was &lt;a href="http://patterico.com/archives/002459.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;one of the first people to publicize&lt;/a&gt; an obscure story from a local radio station quoting air marshals as saying Jacobsen overreacted.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I have more than one commenter here with a generally leftist viewpoint.  I generally go out of my way to be polite to them -- even when they are initially sarcastic -- because I want to keep them around.  They help keep the rest of us honest.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

If I had seen these stories, I would have linked to them.  When I saw them, I did.

&lt;b&gt;No echo chamber here, comrade.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that you are kidding me to some unknown extent.  Still: I could hardly be trying to &#8220;hide&#8221; anything that readers can reach if they follow the links.</p>
<p>In addition to the rules the marshals have to follow, it is also intuitively obvious that the marshals need to remain anonymous &#8212; that&#8217;s why I said in the post:</p>
<blockquote><p>And that includes the flight attendants, who (perhaps unlike the air marshals) have no pressing need to keep their identities secret.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not very mollified by your comments, because of your reference to an &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;  My friend, <b>I am not part of any &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;</b></p>
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<li>I was <a href="http://patterico.com/archives/002459.php" rel="nofollow">one of the first people to publicize</a> an obscure story from a local radio station quoting air marshals as saying Jacobsen overreacted.</li>
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<li>I have more than one commenter here with a generally leftist viewpoint.  I generally go out of my way to be polite to them &#8212; even when they are initially sarcastic &#8212; because I want to keep them around.  They help keep the rest of us honest.</li>
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<p>If I had seen these stories, I would have linked to them.  When I saw them, I did.</p>
<p><b>No echo chamber here, comrade.</b></p>
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		<title>By: AMac</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3249</link>
		<dc:creator>AMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton Taylor, the student-radio-station guy who figured out the identity of the band and casino, has a &lt;a HREF="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6938" rel="nofollow"&gt;follow-up article.&lt;/a&gt;  It fills in a large number of details, including the band members' names, and contains interviews with the band manager and promoter.

Taylor doesn't confirm any of the theories that are out there on Flight 327, but adds valuable information.  I think it's now safe to say that there is both less (no terror dry run) and more (inadequate security procedures) to this story than originally seemed to be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton Taylor, the student-radio-station guy who figured out the identity of the band and casino, has a <a HREF="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6938" rel="nofollow">follow-up article.</a>  It fills in a large number of details, including the band members&#8217; names, and contains interviews with the band manager and promoter.</p>
<p>Taylor doesn&#8217;t confirm any of the theories that are out there on Flight 327, but adds valuable information.  I think it&#8217;s now safe to say that there is both less (no terror dry run) and more (inadequate security procedures) to this story than originally seemed to be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3250</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commissar: we are not very mollified by your comments, because of your reference to an "echo chamber."  My friend, this blog is not part of any "echo chamber."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commissar: we are not very mollified by your comments, because of your reference to an &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;  My friend, this blog is not part of any &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I generally go out of my way to be polite to them -- even when they are initially sarcastic -- because I want to keep them around&lt;/i&gt;

He means me.  Despite my first rude grand entrance here (I'd provide a link if I could find it), Patterico was a very gracious host.  As a result, like an over-staying house guest, I've been enjoying my time here (before Patterico blocks my IP).  And I can definitely verify that this is no echo chamber.  Except on the "John Kerry Sucks/Is Stupid" posts.  Those draw out the best of the web, let me assure you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I generally go out of my way to be polite to them &#8212; even when they are initially sarcastic &#8212; because I want to keep them around</i></p>
<p>He means me.  Despite my first rude grand entrance here (I&#8217;d provide a link if I could find it), Patterico was a very gracious host.  As a result, like an over-staying house guest, I&#8217;ve been enjoying my time here (before Patterico blocks my IP).  And I can definitely verify that this is no echo chamber.  Except on the &#8220;John Kerry Sucks/Is Stupid&#8221; posts.  Those draw out the best of the web, let me assure you.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/08/04/anonymous-air-marshals-and-flight-crew-members-continue-to-contradict-annie-jacobsen/#comment-3252</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Commissar: we are not very mollified by your comments, because of your reference to an "echo chamber." My friend, this blog is not part of any "echo chamber."&lt;/i&gt;

What Xrlq said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Commissar: we are not very mollified by your comments, because of your reference to an &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221; My friend, this blog is not part of any &#8220;echo chamber.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What Xrlq said.</p>
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