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	<title>Comments on: Dog Trainer Joins the Rest of the Pack in Grievously Distorting the 9/11 Commission&#8217;s Staff Report</title>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; L.A. Times on That Shifting and Retooling</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-16932</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; L.A. Times on That Shifting and Retooling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of course, the commissioners have repeatedly said that there were all kinds of ties and connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda, particularly in the area of weapons development. (Is weapons development &#8220;meaningful&#8221;? I&#8217;d say so.) The commissioners said this repeatedly; they could not have been more clear. But the L.A. Times has consistently misreported the commissioners&#8217; views on this topic from the beginning &#8212; once going so far as to portray certain commissioners&#8217; views on a television program as the exact opposite of what they had said, according to a transcript. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Of course, the commissioners have repeatedly said that there were all kinds of ties and connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda, particularly in the area of weapons development. (Is weapons development &#8220;meaningful&#8221;? I&#8217;d say so.) The commissioners said this repeatedly; they could not have been more clear. But the L.A. Times has consistently misreported the commissioners&#8217; views on this topic from the beginning &#8212; once going so far as to portray certain commissioners&#8217; views on a television program as the exact opposite of what they had said, according to a transcript. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dauber</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2472</link>
		<dc:creator>dauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Daniel Benjamin must have protested when al Queda's links to Saddam were listed in the ('98?) indictment of bin Laden. I'm fairly sure he was still working for Clinton's NSC staff then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Daniel Benjamin must have protested when al Queda&#8217;s links to Saddam were listed in the (&#8217;98?) indictment of bin Laden. I&#8217;m fairly sure he was still working for Clinton&#8217;s NSC staff then.</p>
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		<title>By: m.croche</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>m.croche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Bush on March 1, 2003:

"We have removed an ally of al Qaeda and cut off a source of terrorist funding."

Exactly what in the staff report supports this contention of Bush's?

2) I bumped into a neighbor walking down the street yesterday.  We made contact.  Did that establish a "tie" between us?  Not on your life. So I guess the LAT headline is just fine. 

3) Bush's notion of "terrorist connections" is demonstrably at odds with the staff report.  While  the draft report claims there were contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda, the adjective "terrorist" only makes sense if the contacts between them led to the furtherance of some terrorist project.  But the staff report says there is no evidence of collaboration between Saddam's Iraq and Al Qaeda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Bush on March 1, 2003:</p>
<p>&#8220;We have removed an ally of al Qaeda and cut off a source of terrorist funding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly what in the staff report supports this contention of Bush&#8217;s?</p>
<p>2) I bumped into a neighbor walking down the street yesterday.  We made contact.  Did that establish a &#8220;tie&#8221; between us?  Not on your life. So I guess the LAT headline is just fine. </p>
<p>3) Bush&#8217;s notion of &#8220;terrorist connections&#8221; is demonstrably at odds with the staff report.  While  the draft report claims there were contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda, the adjective &#8220;terrorist&#8221; only makes sense if the contacts between them led to the furtherance of some terrorist project.  But the staff report says there is no evidence of collaboration between Saddam&#8217;s Iraq and Al Qaeda.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Quiz for Croche: has Saddam been a source of terrorist funding?

a) Yes
b) No

2) So your contention is that the numerous AQ/Iraq connections described in the public statements of the co-chairs of the commission are &lt;i&gt;accidental&lt;/i&gt; connections?  We can assume Farouk Hijazi said: "Whoops!  Sorry to have accidentally bumped into you, Mr. bin Laden!"

3) Yeah, you're probably right.  Al Qaeda meetings with Iraqi officials likely had nothing to do with terrorism.  Those Al Qaeda guys had their fingers in so many different pies . . .

My point is that the &lt;i&gt;L.A. Times&lt;/i&gt;'s exclusion of the statements of the co-chairs, which clarify that the staff report focuses on collaboration on attacks &lt;i&gt;against the United States&lt;/i&gt;, is inexcusable.  It's unfair for the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; and other media outlets to seize on one sentence in the staff report (regarding a "collaborative relationship"), and fail to report that &lt;b&gt;the co-chairs (and other commissioners) have repeatedly indicated that sentence is not intended to be read as broadly as the media has read it&lt;/b&gt;.

For the record, I was never enamored of the "Saddam is connected to Al Qaeda" rationale for invading Iraq; I was reluctantly persuaded that Saddam's violations of UN resolutions was the legal basis.  My point is not that the AQ/Iraq ties were substantial enough to justify a war.  My point is that the media should not lie, by omission or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Quiz for Croche: has Saddam been a source of terrorist funding?</p>
<p>a) Yes<br />
b) No</p>
<p>2) So your contention is that the numerous AQ/Iraq connections described in the public statements of the co-chairs of the commission are <i>accidental</i> connections?  We can assume Farouk Hijazi said: &#8220;Whoops!  Sorry to have accidentally bumped into you, Mr. bin Laden!&#8221;</p>
<p>3) Yeah, you&#8217;re probably right.  Al Qaeda meetings with Iraqi officials likely had nothing to do with terrorism.  Those Al Qaeda guys had their fingers in so many different pies . . .</p>
<p>My point is that the <i>L.A. Times</i>&#8217;s exclusion of the statements of the co-chairs, which clarify that the staff report focuses on collaboration on attacks <i>against the United States</i>, is inexcusable.  It&#8217;s unfair for the <i>Times</i> and other media outlets to seize on one sentence in the staff report (regarding a &#8220;collaborative relationship&#8221;), and fail to report that <b>the co-chairs (and other commissioners) have repeatedly indicated that sentence is not intended to be read as broadly as the media has read it</b>.</p>
<p>For the record, I was never enamored of the &#8220;Saddam is connected to Al Qaeda&#8221; rationale for invading Iraq; I was reluctantly persuaded that Saddam&#8217;s violations of UN resolutions was the legal basis.  My point is not that the AQ/Iraq ties were substantial enough to justify a war.  My point is that the media should not lie, by omission or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: GS</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2475</link>
		<dc:creator>GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to your point number 2 (and I use that phrase in both its senses)...
So do we draw the same conclusions from Rumsfeld's meeting with Sadaam back in the eighties?  Who was the target of terror back when the US and Iraq were bed buddies?  Did we supply those chemicals that Sadaam used to "gas his own people"?  Oh yeah, we're the United States where terrorism and occupation is just another word for liberation.

You're yet another example of someone who believes what they want to believe despite the facts.  Soldier on in ignorance my friend, crack a beer and let Fox entertain you with their insipid little fictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to your point number 2 (and I use that phrase in both its senses)&#8230;<br />
So do we draw the same conclusions from Rumsfeld&#8217;s meeting with Sadaam back in the eighties?  Who was the target of terror back when the US and Iraq were bed buddies?  Did we supply those chemicals that Sadaam used to &#8220;gas his own people&#8221;?  Oh yeah, we&#8217;re the United States where terrorism and occupation is just another word for liberation.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re yet another example of someone who believes what they want to believe despite the facts.  Soldier on in ignorance my friend, crack a beer and let Fox entertain you with their insipid little fictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2476</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS,

If you can keep your eye on the ball, do you think it was legitimate for the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; not to publish quotes from the co-chairs of the commission that directly contradicted the thesis of their article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS,</p>
<p>If you can keep your eye on the ball, do you think it was legitimate for the <i>Times</i> not to publish quotes from the co-chairs of the commission that directly contradicted the thesis of their article?</p>
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		<title>By: PRESTOPUNDIT -- "excellent" says 2blowhards "must readings" says Nick Schutz</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>PRESTOPUNDIT -- "excellent" says 2blowhards "must readings" says Nick Schutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;9/11 lies of Peter, Dan &#038; Tom.&lt;/strong&gt;
Call them the spokesholes of the Democrat Party: "The Republican Chairman and Democratic Vice Chairman of the 9-11 Commission on Thursday rejected the media’s widespread reporting that the commission’s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>9/11 lies of Peter, Dan &#038; Tom.</strong><br />
Call them the spokesholes of the Democrat Party: &#8220;The Republican Chairman and Democratic Vice Chairman of the 9-11 Commission on Thursday rejected the media’s widespread reporting that the commission’s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TacJammer</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>TacJammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Qualification&lt;/strong&gt;
It seems like every day on the news, someone from the House or Senate is being asked their opinion on matters of national security and intelligence, e.g., the 9/11 commission. It is remarkably rare that I ever think any of...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Qualification</strong><br />
It seems like every day on the news, someone from the House or Senate is being asked their opinion on matters of national security and intelligence, e.g., the 9/11 commission. It is remarkably rare that I ever think any of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico's Pontifications &#187; The Correct Way to Avoid Mistakes</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-8814</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico's Pontifications &#187; The Correct Way to Avoid Mistakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e al-Qaeda and Saddamâ€™s intelligence services to develop weapons systems.  (See here and &lt;a href="http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/1634/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] e al-Qaeda and Saddamâ€™s intelligence services to develop weapons systems.  (See here and <a href="http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/1634/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/">here</a> for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico's Pontifications &#187; The Correct Way to Avoid Mistakes</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/#comment-8815</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico's Pontifications &#187; The Correct Way to Avoid Mistakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e al-Qaeda and Saddamâ€™s intelligence services to develop weapons systems.  (See here and &lt;a href="http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/1634/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] e al-Qaeda and Saddamâ€™s intelligence services to develop weapons systems.  (See here and <a href="http://patterico.com/2004/06/18/1634/idog-traineri-joins-the-rest-of-the-pack-in-grievously-distorting-the-911-commissions-staff-report/">here</a> for [...]</p>
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