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	<title>Comments on: The Ethics of Printing a Letter to the Editor Containing a Clearly False Assertion</title>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree.  If six cranks write in saying the earth is flat, that probably means at least 6,000 cranks actually believe it and wonder why the press isn't covering it.  Better to print the letter, then add a brief rebuttal below, IMNSHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  If six cranks write in saying the earth is flat, that probably means at least 6,000 cranks actually believe it and wonder why the press isn&#8217;t covering it.  Better to print the letter, then add a brief rebuttal below, IMNSHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there was no rebuttal.  The letter simply created a false impression regarding the facts, with no point of view to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there was no rebuttal.  The letter simply created a false impression regarding the facts, with no point of view to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X,

A few questions:

1) Do you also support printing op-ed pieces with known false assertions?  How about editorials?  Or is your support for the publication of false assertions limited to those contained in letters?

2) If the assertion is not corrected immediately below, does that change your mind?

3) How to decide which particular false assertions to print?  Newspaper space is scarce, and there are all sorts of loony beliefs out there.  Should we print that Elvis is alive?  That [insert Presidential candidate here] has deliberately committed premeditated murder?  I guarantee that there are people who hold these beliefs.

4) What about when assertions are not obviously false to every rational person ("the world is flat") but false only to people who are paying attention ("Cheney invited Scalia on the hunting trip") ("Bush has proposed the complete elimination of taxes on the wealthiest 1%")?  The more plausible the statement, the greater the chance to mislead.

I am all in favor of open and robust debate.  But the editors of the letters page choose what to print.  They shouldn't choose arguments based on provably false factual assertions.  IMSomewhatHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X,</p>
<p>A few questions:</p>
<p>1) Do you also support printing op-ed pieces with known false assertions?  How about editorials?  Or is your support for the publication of false assertions limited to those contained in letters?</p>
<p>2) If the assertion is not corrected immediately below, does that change your mind?</p>
<p>3) How to decide which particular false assertions to print?  Newspaper space is scarce, and there are all sorts of loony beliefs out there.  Should we print that Elvis is alive?  That [insert Presidential candidate here] has deliberately committed premeditated murder?  I guarantee that there are people who hold these beliefs.</p>
<p>4) What about when assertions are not obviously false to every rational person (&#8221;the world is flat&#8221;) but false only to people who are paying attention (&#8221;Cheney invited Scalia on the hunting trip&#8221;) (&#8221;Bush has proposed the complete elimination of taxes on the wealthiest 1%&#8221;)?  The more plausible the statement, the greater the chance to mislead.</p>
<p>I am all in favor of open and robust debate.  But the editors of the letters page choose what to print.  They shouldn&#8217;t choose arguments based on provably false factual assertions.  IMSomewhatHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Alene</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>Alene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don't know enough to recognize that the allegation(s) in Letters are false/misleading.  Just because they're in the news business doesn't mean that editorial page staff know much about the stories they cover, even contentious ones.  Asking that they know enough about every issue that might evoke a reader response--local, national, political--to recognize false claims,  may be asking too much.  And criticizing a reader/author when a media watchdog complains puts them in a difficult position.  Do they clear a follow-up correction with the writer?

Better the correction come from a reader.  Let's see if and how they correct this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t know enough to recognize that the allegation(s) in Letters are false/misleading.  Just because they&#8217;re in the news business doesn&#8217;t mean that editorial page staff know much about the stories they cover, even contentious ones.  Asking that they know enough about every issue that might evoke a reader response&#8211;local, national, political&#8211;to recognize false claims,  may be asking too much.  And criticizing a reader/author when a media watchdog complains puts them in a difficult position.  Do they clear a follow-up correction with the writer?</p>
<p>Better the correction come from a reader.  Let&#8217;s see if and how they correct this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Just because they're in the news business doesn't mean that editorial page staff know much about the stories they cover, even contentious ones."

You may be right about this.  So, how about showing the letters they plan to print to the reporters or editors who worked on the relevant story?  Are you telling me a major newspaper has no policy in place to make sure they're not printing factually false statements?

By the way, these editors -- the ones who don't necessarily know much about the stories they cover -- these are the same people who write editorials based on those stories, right?  That's what I thought.

It explains *so* much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because they&#8217;re in the news business doesn&#8217;t mean that editorial page staff know much about the stories they cover, even contentious ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>You may be right about this.  So, how about showing the letters they plan to print to the reporters or editors who worked on the relevant story?  Are you telling me a major newspaper has no policy in place to make sure they&#8217;re not printing factually false statements?</p>
<p>By the way, these editors &#8212; the ones who don&#8217;t necessarily know much about the stories they cover &#8212; these are the same people who write editorials based on those stories, right?  That&#8217;s what I thought.</p>
<p>It explains *so* much.</p>
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		<title>By: Alene</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator>Alene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely the same folks.  It's not the ignorance I object to; it's their ignorance of their ignorance.

Am I channeling Rumsfeld, here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely the same folks.  It&#8217;s not the ignorance I object to; it&#8217;s their ignorance of their ignorance.</p>
<p>Am I channeling Rumsfeld, here?</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Letters only, and then only when they represent views that are held widely enough to be worth debating.  Op-eds submitted with obviously false statements should be returned to their authors, with an explanation.

2.  Yes, but even then I'd prefer to see the letters printed rather than not printed. I'd rather see some crap get through every now and then than have cutting edge ideas stifled because the editors "know" it's not true - even though, in some cases, it is.

3.  I'd print the ones that address false assertions that are popular enough to be worth dealing with and debunking.  And for the record, Elvis &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; alive.  Both of them, in fact (Grbac and Costello).

4.  The problem with that kind of censorship is that it tends to stifle real debate.  If your rule were adopted, I guarantee that any letter suggesting that concealed carry or the death penalty deters crime would not get printed, because everyone on the Times's staff "knows" them not to be true (and, it's not 100% clear that they are).

In each of these cases, the best remedy is to print a rebuttal.  Failing that, there's nothing to stop you or anyone else from writing in a rebuttal letter of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Letters only, and then only when they represent views that are held widely enough to be worth debating.  Op-eds submitted with obviously false statements should be returned to their authors, with an explanation.</p>
<p>2.  Yes, but even then I&#8217;d prefer to see the letters printed rather than not printed. I&#8217;d rather see some crap get through every now and then than have cutting edge ideas stifled because the editors &#8220;know&#8221; it&#8217;s not true - even though, in some cases, it is.</p>
<p>3.  I&#8217;d print the ones that address false assertions that are popular enough to be worth dealing with and debunking.  And for the record, Elvis <i>is</i> alive.  Both of them, in fact (Grbac and Costello).</p>
<p>4.  The problem with that kind of censorship is that it tends to stifle real debate.  If your rule were adopted, I guarantee that any letter suggesting that concealed carry or the death penalty deters crime would not get printed, because everyone on the Times&#8217;s staff &#8220;knows&#8221; them not to be true (and, it&#8217;s not 100% clear that they are).</p>
<p>In each of these cases, the best remedy is to print a rebuttal.  Failing that, there&#8217;s nothing to stop you or anyone else from writing in a rebuttal letter of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think you'd be making this argument if your uncle weren't an op-ed editor at the &lt;i&gt;L.A. Times&lt;/i&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d be making this argument if your uncle weren&#8217;t an op-ed editor at the <i>L.A. Times</i>.</p>
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<p>[Just kidding.  But you see my point, no?]</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Alkon</title>
		<link>http://www.patterico.com/2004/03/22/the-ethics-of-printing-a-letter-to-the-editor-containing-a-clearly-false-assertion/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Alkon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often see letters with false assertions in them in the LAT. They could run them, but with a note underneath stating the truth. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often see letters with false assertions in them in the LAT. They could run them, but with a note underneath stating the truth.</p>
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